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I have to agree Purple,He tells obvious lies like Tommy was on his site and he banned him,problem with that is he would have to have had Tommy's ip to compare it to.I guess when your a dim wit you just don't understand that people can see threw the bs.Now he's over there saying he doesn't care about us but he has been posting pictures all week and claiming stupid stuff.He was attacking us for awhile and we weren't even mentioning his name.Now he his claiming he will stop if we do.Problem with that is Tommys site gets more than 4 times sometimes 5 or 6 times the viewers that Bob gets,i guess he just realized he brought a pea shooter to a gun fight.

-- Edited by kelc317 on Thursday 4th of June 2009 04:03:07 PM

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I just read your post kevy at Bobs and im glad you won't respond to me,now i wish you would just leave this site.And Bob as far as kevy not getting in between you and Tommy,thats because your site is just boring and well it stinks.Kevy wants to come to a real site like Tommys where there are more than 5 people that post and out of those who knows how many are you.Oh plus Bob i just noticed you posted my post on your site,boy you really are a dim wit,i LOVE it bob now i get to tell your members what a nutcase you are,keep up the good work LOL


-- Edited by kelc317 on Thursday 4th of June 2009 04:23:10 PM

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Its all part of his masterplan, carefully thought out, a way he can be banned but still post here! LOL!

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He is such a brilliant guy,ask him he will tell you.lol Oh wait what if we don't post what he wants us to,oh well Bob back to the drawing board.

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I would love to seriously do that, but whenever I want to post he is away and his board is shut so I have to think of that as a holiday...I mean I am registered and all of course, I was told that...Back in 5 lol.

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I see he wants to start a site to fight us,i thought he just said he didn't care about us?One guy just lies.The other just posts negative stuff about Shania s and will never defend anything he posts just hurlers insults and rants.Wow what a challenge to debate two insane people.

-- Edited by kelc317 on Saturday 6th of June 2009 02:13:15 PM

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I see he wants to start a site to fight us,i thought he just said he didn't care about us?One guy just lies.The other just posts negative stuff about Shania s and will never defend anything he posts just hurlers insults and rants.Wow what a challenge to debate two insane people.

-- Edited by kelc317 on Saturday 6th of June 2009 02:13:15 PM



As you meander amongst various message boards on the net you will run across nutjobs frequently - it is usually best to give them a wide berth and go on your merry way.

I know sometimes they say such rubbish you just want to throttle them but it is usually best to leave them alone and let them make total asses out of themselves to other members - without your help.

 



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Your right there Purple.Did you see Tommys had over 220 viewers for a 24 hour period.That other site had like 14 viewers,their just talking to themselves lol.

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They cant even discuss Michael Jackson because of the negative comments, thats sad. Anything that might end up in opposing views is shut down! Its totally controlled, and I thought they said other boards were run by Nazis...

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Isn't it funny how Bob was crying about us talking about him and wanted it stopped now he starts up again.He wants Tommy to warn us for what i don't know nobody was insulted.I guess Bob is getting bored on his site sense he is most of the members over there.Bob it was a good idea  to shut off your users details because everybody would know what a fake your site is if all your new members were from Canada.LOL

-- Edited by kelc317 on Monday 29th of June 2009 08:32:44 PM

-- Edited by kelc317 on Monday 29th of June 2009 08:33:55 PM

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I just looked again and yes he thinks we only post when Kevy posts and all he has to do is a short post and we are writing long replies forevermore. Unlike Shania who does one and leaves. So we are being compared to Shania...and funny I thought I posted in the Michael Jackson thread first so how can that be? Maybe he just doesnt like ppl talking about subjects which should be banned such as the death of a musical icon...like on his perfect site (available only on weekdays). If all members are approved then why isnt he trusting them when he has better things to do at the weekend lol?!!!

Could it be anything to do with the fact when he is away nobody except Kevy is going to post anyway because they just happen to all be away when Bobby is too?! Funny that.

-- Edited by STF1 on Monday 29th of June 2009 10:46:29 PM

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I didn't post last week because the PGA was in town and i was there most of the week.He accused us before that we were the only ones posting, now we don't post enough.He read my post above and he shut off the stat counter on his site,he thinks he's fooling everybody but its so obvious its sad but funny.

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Tommy we would like to say how we appreciate that you dont close the message board whenever you go away, weekends are usually a good time to catch up with things, or come to think of it thanks for not closing it for an entire week! Some ppl think the world revolves around them!

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If you guys are so unhappy over there with Bobby then why go there? I mean if you are over here complaining about his site and how unhappy you are with how he does things don't go over there anymore...problem solved. Just my thoughts.
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If you guys are so unhappy over there with Bobby then why go there? I mean if you are over here complaining about his site and how unhappy you are with how he does things don't go over there anymore...problem solved. Just my thoughts.
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Not really. I like the good stuff. Steak!!
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Does anybody know who the owner is of the Shania forum? Is it something linked to Shania''s management? The administrator is that the person who ppl here have had problems with? There seems to be a lot of problems over there. I thought it was some kind of official board.

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Does anybody know who the owner is of the Shania forum? Is it something linked to Shania''s management? The administrator is that the person who ppl here have had problems with? There seems to be a lot of problems over there. I thought it was some kind of official board.




Roughstock recently sold the website, not sure to whom.

 

No.

 

Mebbe.

 

Yep

 

Nope



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The owner is horrible have you seen how ppl are treated? Everybody should leave that place.

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I do not think the new owner has much of an idea about what is transpiring.

It is not high on their totem pole from the little I have heard.

Who are you over there to claim to know so much about what is going on and how folks are treated?

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I only read, I thought about joining but it does not seem like a nice place. Although somebody did join with my username from here, I was watching to see if it was anybody causing me more trouble but not so far. I dont know why ppl stick around there when there are many other boards to join. Tommy does a fine job here, its smaller but I am sure if he had moderators they would not be treated so bad as over there, ppl were right when they told me how things are over there, I would not say they were all Nazis but I can see why ppl are so negative about them. The moderators and owners do not get on, how does it keep going I dont know.

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You make some interesting comments considering you are not a member there and are going by hearsay and goodness only knows what to formulate your posts.

That was the first board I joined when I went online and over the years it has been a lot of fun and frustration too but I would never think of leaving the joint.

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I have a few questions you might be able to help me with. I only started posting on here recently and always avoided messageboards, I guess Im one of those fans who never thought any need to post. When Kevy talked about it I realized only a small percentage of fans use them when Shania has sold so many millions. Then I thought about why more dont use them. I know there are other messageboards out there, the STC centre messageboard is one but ppl seem to not want to use it, I dont understand why if it is an officially run board and free. The fan club has a messageboard and I understand why ppl dont use that, because of problems with the fan club so they dont renew. Then there are other messageboards, like the shaniaforums and the north amercian board. I dont understand who runs these and why they are so popular when they are not official. Are they promoted in some way? Tommy's site I guess is indepenent which is why ppl like it, less restrictions and more freedom. Tommy's site is one of the best I have seen. What I dont understand is why there is not one big official messageboard instead of so many smaller ones which is free.




This is the Internet where most everything is free and available.

 

It is one of the wonders of this world but it is also a place that a lot of bad things can happen, as you probably are well aware.

 

Websites and message boards come and go in this environment like ships passing in the night.

 

The ones that endure are meaningful and helpful and sometimes even turn a profit and keep going on and on.

 

I have seen some Shania sites go down with her absence from the public arena for so long.

 

I have also seen membership erode at many site message boards in her absence.

 

I think this site is going to endure because of Tommy's dedicationa and endurance and his phenomenal love for Shania's music.

 

I stick around because Shania is one of my favorites singers for all time.  And that is saying something because I love hundreds of artists and groups and I have been listening to music since the 1950s.

 

I think to be new to the net and cast aspersions here about other sites is kind of misguided at best - yes some members here and there have been banned or censored at other sites for various and sundry reasons but generally that should not be chewed over and over on other sites.

 

Every message board has its problems - members and mods and administrators and any combo thereof.

 

I am posting here about Shania generally - if I didn't like it here mostly I would not be here.

 

If you choose to bad mouth other sites here without really knowing much about them that is your prerogative but be clear I will say something to you when you make statements without any real factual support and if you have no clear idea of what you might be talking about.



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You make some interesting comments considering you are not a member there and are going by hearsay and goodness only knows what to formulate your posts.

That was the first board I joined when I went online and over the years it has been a lot of fun and frustration too but I would never think of leaving the joint.



I don't think you have to be a member of a message board to judge it, all you have to do is read it.Most people that have been members there say the same thing,that they are very strict on what you can discuss.

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I think if you merely observe you have no clue what is really happening.

Lots of stuff is discussed privately and what you see on the surface at times is very confusing and misleading and plain nonsense.

Of course everyone must draw their own conclusions.

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You cannot know most people who post there nor do I - we see what we want to see and post what we wish to post for the most part.

If you want to say something to the members there sign up and post away.

Backstabbing that message board here to me is kind of chicken**** behavior.

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I understand where you are coming from. I can see a thread now where many of their members are speaking out against the owners, I have taken that into account, it was not my own opinion alone. I get the impression that is seen as the big Shania site and I dont see why it has become so big when ppl are so unhappy. This is a small site with one person running it and doing a fine job of it, maybe smaller independant sites work better and Tommy is a very big fan himself which helps. I wonder if that site is there to make profit and not for other reasons if the owners are not there like Tommy is here.

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I'm not backstabbing it, just asking a few questions about it. The whole messageboard internet way of being a fan is a strange thing to me and Kevy saying only a few hundred out of million use them made me wonder why that is. How many members are on the main offical board does anybody know?

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I understand where you are coming from. I can see a thread now where many of their members are speaking out against the owners, I have taken that into account, it was not my own opinion alone. I get the impression that is seen as the big Shania site and I dont see why it has become so big when ppl are so unhappy. This is a small site with one person running it and doing a fine job of it, maybe smaller independant sites work better and Tommy is a very big fan himself which helps. I wonder if that site is there to make profit and not for other reasons if the owners are not there like Tommy is here.



Appearances are often deceiving.

Members there are talking about the quality of the administration of the board.

Ownership changed recently - if you read the first post in the thread you are talking about you might understand what was said by the new owners to the members and what the thread is leading up to.

In the whole spectrum of their business ventures apparently the forums is a tiny cog in their wheel or they could spend more business hours on it.

I doubt they will make any money on the site unless Shania comes back again big time.

This site is Tommy's alone and he does a wonderful job with it but it is not very much used unfortunately.

The reasons why I do not know - but I have been active on his website well before I started posting here and I have known Tommy fairly well over my years on the Internet and I really admire his guts and determination to keep this place going with all the wonderful memories and photos intact and up and running - thru good and bad times.

 



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I'm not backstabbing it, just asking a few questions about it. The whole messageboard internet way of being a fan is a strange thing to me and Kevy saying only a few hundred out of million use them made me wonder why that is. How many members are on the main offical board does anybody know?




I doubt there are many Shania fans active on any internet message boards devoted to Shania or country music.

 

Shania has sold probably over 70 million CDs since she began in 1993.

 

There may be a few hundred active Shania fans posting away on the Internet boards, or at best a little over a thousand.

 

That is probably because people live busy lives and to them Shania is not as important to them as she is to us fans posting on the net.  I see more younger and older fans posting on message boards and not so many who have families and full time jobs supporting their families more often than not.  Of course looks can be deceiving and on the net for the most part you often do not know who the person you are talking to might be and if they are affecting poses or are really who they claim to be.

 

I am not saying Shania is only really important to a 1,000 fans - I am saying most of her fans have better stuff to do daily than post on boards on the net about her - and that is not a slam on us here or anywhere else on the net - I am retired and I do what I damn well please daily and one of my pet loves is to post on the net any time I want about anything I want - anyhow that is my story and I am sticking to it.



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I second that he also has a very good website running along side this message board, that is more than the other message boards have, and he does this all himself. I would like to see more fans join here too, there are a lot of fans disillusioned on other boards. It could be because those are run for profit and dont get the attention Tommy is able to give. I heard stories from ppl banned from other places, Tommy included, and I wont say anything directly but I cant see how Tommy could have been banned, but when I look at how ppl are being treated over there I can understand why ppl label the owners over there. The owner even treats the moderators like dirt so I can see why so many ppl have spoken so low about that place, KelC, Angie and Tommy who all seem like nice ppl to me.

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You have seen the tip of the iceberg - do not be confused by it.

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You mean there are two sides to every story? If I am only seeing the tip of the iceberg what could ever explain why a site owner would be so against their own members and moderators? Is there some kind of power struggle going on there or have all those ppl actually done something wrong?

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You have things pretty mixed up and it is not my place to straighten you out.

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Ok I dont know, I think about joining there but I wouldnt want to be treated like that there so I dont. Its not my business Im just trying to figure out what is causing all the bickering over there, it will become my business if I did join so I try to figure it out first. Surely the owner gets paid or why would she be there if she doesnt get on with everybody? Ppl like Tommy seem so nice I just cant imagine them being banned. Its like a party and everyone is invited but when they get there they are bossed around by the host who starts booting ppl out when she feels like it or forcing ppl to do as she says. I would go to the party next door instead and leave her alone at her own party!

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If you choose to bad mouth other sites here without really knowing much about them that is your prerogative but be clear I will say something to you when you make statements without any real factual support and if you have no clear idea of what you might be talking about.

 




I hope you don't mind me butting in here, but upon reading this conversation I see that you, too, in certain cases, have no clear idea of what you might be talking about.  And I'm not saying that to insult you, so forgive me if I come across that way.  I've read plenty of your posts, and you seem like a good guy and a good Shania fan. I'm not here to slam you or pick a fight.  Internet fights and squabbles are colossal wastes of time, in my eyes.  But I have first-hand knowledge of certain actions from certain Shania Forums mods.  First-hand knowledge that you apparently do not have.  And the words and actions from certain mods show me that these are gutless people with no integrity whatsoever.  You seem to be unaware of what they do "behind the scenes".  It's not pretty.

I don't expect you to believe me, as I'm just one faceless online stranger among many other online strangers.  But I'm secure in the fact that I have the truth on my side when I speak of these things.  And having a perspective on things that you do not, I just wanted to throw in my 2 cents into this conversation.

STF1 is on the right track, here.  Tommy is a good person.  Why was he banned?  When a good person gets banned, that may just tell you more about the person giving the ban rather than the person receiving the ban.  Power corrupts.  And goes to some people's heads.  Just some food for thought, mi amigo.



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Backstabbing that message board here to me is kind of chicken**** behavior.




I'd say that banning the likes of Tommy is an even bigger example of chicken**** behaviour, eh?



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Lets not let it get like is happening over there. What I see there is a site owner being questioned by ppl and rightly so, and a moderator who is supporting them who seems to be very liked, now the site owner is mis using their power to punish that moderator for not being loyal. It smells like a power struggle to me, the owner using their power to remove that threat. It could be why Tommy was banned, because he has a much better site and the owner there did not like him being around because he had support of ppl there just like how that moderator has support too. If the owner cuts ppl like Tommy and that moderator away then the threat is gone. I agree UpUpUp its all about power. I get the idea ppl dont like the owner there much.

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The problems that I have personal knowledge about lie at the feet of the mods, not the owner. As Tommy said above, "the board is run by 4 or 5 crazy, uptight moderators". He's right! In the mod/owner conflict, I would not blindly take the side of the mods.

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So you think the owner might be ok? Maybe she needs to get rid of the mods.

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I was mainly banned bcause I post paparazzi pictures on my site which 99.9% of fans like. And also for speaking my mind on Shania issues.

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Sorry to hear that, what is it to them if you post on your own site? Im not a fan of paparazzi pics but thats your business, its not like you posted them there. Well it seems they are all falling out with each other now, their owner is not showing mature behaviour at all, that moderator should totally leave and let her do it herself if that is how she treats her own moderators.

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So you think the owner might be ok? Maybe she needs to get rid of the mods.




I don't know the owner.  I just know that some of the mods are real asshats.



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I was mainly banned bcause I post paparazzi pictures on my site which 99.9% of fans like. And also for speaking my mind on Shania issues.



Ahh those evil paparazzi photos,im sure those people that banned you never look at those photos

 



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One mod there is really speaking out its like a war zone! They are all falling out, I think its the owner the fans are against. Ive never seen anything like it on the net and so many ppl all involved! Oh well not our problem.

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One mod there is really speaking out its like a war zone! They are all falling out, I think its the owner the fans are against. Ive never seen anything like it on the net and so many ppl all involved! Oh well not our problem.




I think you have things quite confused but you are right in your last sentence.



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So its the moderator and not the owner?

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The owner is new so they really are unknown to the fans there for the most part except that message board is a very small piece of their pie.

The administrator has been there since about 2003.

The mods come and go like ships in the night for the most part though some have been there a while.

As far as I know the members are not against anybody but chronic bashers of Ms Twain.

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I guess you have not read the thread where the administrator attacked the moderator and then he went nuts back at her?

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If that was really an attack and the mod went nuts I do not think either would be in the positions they are in on the board.

There are many things happening in the world - I wonder why you keep dredging up stuff from another message board and giving your idea of what you think is happening there - I have been there many years and it is bewildering to me why this is all you seem to wish post about here.

Is this board so dull for you want to spark it up with controvery you perceive on another board?

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