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Shania Joins Other Canadian Artists In 1991 AIDS Tribute Song

Country gal · Guru

that was something interesting,Tommy you are a gem. smile

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

Are we Shania fans ever getting desperate for any news at all.
Thanks for the effort Tommy but this is a song in 1991 that barely shows Shania and you can't even hear her.
It would of been nice if Shania teamed up for live8 or other charity concerts in the last decade since she has become an international icon.

chaosinc · Senior Member

That's why for now, kevy, we're just havin a little fun�with disgusting & crazy pics!
Because at this point in time the news is minimal if at all!!!!!

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

chaosinc wrote:

That's why for now, kevy, we're just havin a little fun�with disgusting & crazy pics!
Because at this point in time the news is minimal if at all!!!!!

The news has been minimal for many years. Must be nice to take a 5 year vacation and then claim to� your fans that music is your passion.
Sorry eilleen, actions speak louder than words and the excuses are wearing thin.

Now lets have�some fun with chaosinc.

-- Edited by ZippyDoo at 10:54, 2008-07-28

kelc317 · Senior Member

you know Zip i think we are getting tired of your wining,you sound very immature,im sure her first passion is Eja and now she's going threw a divorce and all you want to do is criticize her for not being in the studio working,,and your bragging is a joke do you realy think people believe all that crap your slinging

-- Edited by kelc317 at 13:52, 2008-07-28

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

kelc317 wrote:

you know Zip i think we are getting tired of your wining,you sound very immature,im sure her first passion is Eja and now she's going threw a divorce and all you want to do is criticize her for not being in the studio working

Then don't respond to my posts if it bothers you.
I dont' sound immature, I just don't treat her like�a God and believe everything she says.
And stop with the Eja excuse, every mother cares about their son.
Shania has had 5 years of vacation, I sure wish I could slack off and do nothing for so long. Artists who are passionate about music couldn't even think of going so long without making music.

LIke I said before, the next time� you see her in concert she will need a walking cane. She is already mid 40's and wasted so much of her time and talent doing nothing.
And spare me the divorce talk too, average people get out there� and get back to normal life, which I guess for Shania is having another vacation.
So if what I say bothers you then don't respond. If you can't take my opinion then it is best for you to not bait me and respond.
I as� a fan have an opinion and it makes me sad to see Shania make excuses every year while artists twice her age like Dolly are out there touring and writing broadway plays and creating music.
I would prefer Shania just announce her retirement instead of leading the fans on thinking she like music.
Sorry but the reality is that she is middle aged woman who has been gone for 6 years and I don't think the industry will welcome her back that well.
I think if there weren't fans like me then all we would have is�a worship Shania site believing everything she says and does.
Maybe Shania is not who we all were lead to believe she was.

Country gal · Guru

i had no idea Dolly is approaching 90 woo she does look younger biggrin

Zippo divorces are difficult,just fall in love first and then tell me.

-- Edited by Country gal at 13:51, 2008-07-28

-- Edited by Country gal at 13:51, 2008-07-28

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

Country gal wrote:

i had no idea Dolly is approaching 90 woo she does look younger
Zippo divorces are difficult,just fall in love first and then tell me.

-- Edited by Country gal at 13:51, 2008-07-28

-- Edited by Country gal at 13:51, 2008-07-28

You get the point, Dolly is over 60.

Yeah, I know quite a bit about divorces. millions go through them every day and get right back to their life or work or passion.
I guess it when it comes down to it, you can make any excuse in the book for being non motivated, and you can actually make others believe it.

I lost my dog last week and that give me a great excuse to take a month off and cry. Poor,poor me. My life is totally ruined and everyone feels sorry for me.
You know how tough it is losing your dog and best friend rolled into one.
How will I ever be able to carry on?

kelc317 · Senior Member

first off raising a child isn't a vacation,and if you ever have one you will understand that when your going threw a divorce you tend to spoil them,why should she announce her retirement do other artist do that when they take a few years off,and i know when these other artist take time off the music world never welcomes them back,what world are you living in

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

kelc317 wrote:

first off raising a child isn't a vacation,and if you ever have one you will understand that when your going threw a divorce you tend to spoil them,why should she announce her retirement do other artist do that when they take a few years off,and i know when these other artist take time off the music world never welcomes them back,what world are you living in

Oh please spare me. My mother looked after 3 kids and worked 2 jobs and we had a great family life and we didn't have the money for a nanny like she does.
I bet Eja is telling Shania to get her butt out there so he can see her perform now that he is old enough lol!!
Shania will use any excuse in the book not to make music. I remember after 911 she told Mutt she didnt' want to make music and Mutt convinced her too.
It seems we fans are fighting a lost cause. Shania just may not be interested in music and never liked it at all.Maybe it was all about money and now that she is so rich she has no motivation to do anything.

Sorry but I as a fan am sick of� her wishy washy attitude toward her career and leading us fans on. I think she should announce her retirement because she is basically retired and leading the fans on does no good.
She can says he is passionate about music till she is blue in the fact but her actions tell another story.

-- Edited by ZippyDoo at 14:06, 2008-07-28

Country gal · Guru

Zippy i lost a friend last summer as for dogs,i had a cat that a lady killed him,yeah other than that i love the world furious

kelc317 · Senior Member

zip did your mother work because she had to or wanted to?,most women would stay home and be with there kids but they have to work,and what about all the other actors actress's and musicians that take years off,and i have said this before i don't think shania walks on water,you had a post about her marriage and i agree she new what she was getting when she married a guy 17 years older been threw 2 divorces and she married him after 6 months

-- Edited by kelc317 at 14:32, 2008-07-28

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

kelc317 wrote:

zip did your mother work because she had to or wanted to?,most women would stay home and be with there kids but they have to work,and what about all the other actors actress's and musicians that take years off,and i have said this before i don't think shania walks on water,you had a post about her marriage and i agree she new what she was getting when she married a guy 17 years older been threw 2 divorces and she married him after 6 months

-- Edited by kelc317 at 14:32, 2008-07-28

She had a business she was passionate about.
I think we will be going in circles if we talk about this longer because you are your opinion and I have mine.
Shania only has one kid, she has been with him 24 7 for his whole life.� She als has a nanny and her sisiters who look after eja whenever she goes anywhere she can't take him. She can work around her schedule or Eja if she wanted to.
There are so many things an artist does to have a family life and great career life.If an artist is passionated about music then they make it work.
I think it is her fans that use Eja as an excuse.
I look at John Travolat with a great family life and many kids and both parents are big stars working and making movies.� They also live in North America and the tabloids leave them alone.

kelc317 · Senior Member

Zip so shania has to do what others do, she can't be the mother that she wants to be?and what about all the other artist that take years off,it seems to me that you don't have kids because you would understand that time flies when you have kids my daughters in collage now and it seems like the other day i was changing her diapers,when you have kids you will understand

-- Edited by kelc317 at 15:18, 2008-07-28

-- Edited by kelc317 at 15:23, 2008-07-28

Country gal · Guru

kelc317 wrote:

Zip so shania has to do what others do, she be the mother that she wants to be?and what about all the other artist that take years off,it seems to me that you don't have kids because you would understand that time flies when you have kids my daughters in collage now and it seems like the other day i was changing her diapers,when you have kids you will understand

-- Edited by kelc317 at 15:18, 2008-07-28

my dad tells me this all the time,of how he used to hold me in his arms and i was a little baby,this is very understandable. smile

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kelc317 · Senior Member

time goes by so fast and its really 16 when they get there drivers license that they don't need mom and dad anymore, they become independent, but if you don't have kids its hard to understand and to say well this person worked so that means Shania has to is just a joke

-- Edited by kelc317 at 15:29, 2008-07-28

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

kelc317 wrote:

Zip so shania has to do what others do, she can't be the mother that she wants to be?and what about all the other artist that take years off,it seems to me that you don't have kids because you would understand that time flies when you have kids my daughters in collage now and it seems like the other day i was changing her diapers,when you have kids you will understand

-- Edited by kelc317 at 15:18, 2008-07-28

-- Edited by kelc317 at 15:23, 2008-07-28

Oh please, Shania could do what she wants, nobody is telling her what to do.
But don't mislead the fans thinking you are passionate about music.
You are talking from the view of an average person not an artist who music is their passion.
99% of people in the industry have kids and well balanced life and they don't hide out like Shania has done for� years.
Just admit, Shania can't handle fame and a family. Shania� just can't balance the 2 like most people can.
Maybe she is weak like she said in REdbook.
I always thought Shania as a strong person but now I realize she is very weak and fragile and she is always the victim.
I guess she was never made out for this type of business.If she can't handle it then retire. I don't see many people who live Shania's lifestyle complain like she does all the time.

Country gal · Guru

yes,but how many celebs got into drugs and booze or 100 marriages.
maybe she got weaker lately,she always have been the one to take charge that's tiring.

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

kelc317 wrote:

time goes by so fast and its really 16 when they get there drivers license that they don't need mom and dad anymore, they become independent, but if you don't have kids its hard to understand and to say well this person worked so that means Shania has to is just a joke

-- Edited by kelc317 at 15:29, 2008-07-28

Maybe Shania is just a very weak person and can't handle what most people can. If that is the case then she should retire and get some help.
I hope she doesn't have mental problems like her mother.
Shania gave us a false image of her being strong person and now I realize she is a very weak person who can't handle fame.
If this is the case then I hope she gets help soon and gets mentally healthy again.
But as a fan I just don't know what is up with her and�� we are all speculating.

Country gal · Guru

oh come on what she did for her siblings speaks volumes about her strength,she was a working mom and without a husband.
she was only 22 for Pete's sake,that's a big deal.

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

Country gal wrote:

yes,but how many celebs got into drugs and booze or 100 marriages.
maybe she got weaker lately,she always have been the one to take charge that's tiring.

Well nobody wants to hear a mega millionaire complain about how tough they have it.
If Shania is weak like it seems she is then she needs to get help now.
Mental problems can fester and get worse.
She has all the signs of a very weak person and can't� handle success or fame and can't balance a simple family life.
The one good side is that she stayed away from drugs and that stuff but in turn she became more and more isolated from everyone and more withdrawn.
she even said in Redbook she couldn't look people in the eyes, now that is weird. She has some serious hangups.

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

Country gal wrote:

oh come on what she did for her siblings speaks volumes about her strength,she was a working mom and without a husband.
she was only 22 for Pete's sake,that's a big deal.

That was then, this is now. Fame made her more withdrawn and weaker.
She has become downright strange and paranoid.
Some people can't handle it and Shania is one of them.
I thought being single again would change her but it may make her be even more withdrawn.

kelc317 · Senior Member

i know zip at 21 you could have taken on what Shania did right,and she is rich so now her passion is her son is that so hard for you to figure out

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

kelc317 wrote:

i know zip at 21 you could have taken on what Shania did right,and she is rich so now her passion is her son is that so hard for you to figure out

She was stronger back then. FAme made her weak and withdrawn and strange.
She is just not the type that can handle fame or success.
And becoming rich has nothing to do with what your passion claims to be.
If music is your passion then it will always be your passion.You are not an artist so you would not understand that.
Shania is no different than anyone else in the business who has a kid.Evey parent loves their kid so stop making Shania out to be any better than anyone else.

kelc317 · Senior Member

thats right no one in the business takes time off?how about the eagles they went solo then nothing for years now there back what about Carlos Santana Cher the list goes on and on not to even mention actors who do the same thing,and why should she announce her retirement maybe she will do a cd 5 years from now so she's not retired,Shania has the right to be the kind of mother she wants to be

-- Edited by kelc317 at 16:01, 2008-07-28

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

kelc317 wrote:

thats right no one in the business takes time off?how about the eagles they went solo then nothing for years now there back what about Carlos Santana Cher the list goes on and on not to even mention actors who do the same thing,and why should she announce her retirement maybe she will do a cd 5 years from now so she's not retired,Shania has the right to be the kind of mother she wants to be

-- Edited by kelc317 at 16:01, 2008-07-28

Thats right nobody takes time off in their prime of their careers.
Did I just read what you said correct, you think Shania won't put out a cd for at least 5 years lol!!!!
Well lets see now, that would make her 48 years old and 12� years between studio albums.
You sure don't understand how the industry works.
I suspect if Shania doesn't have an album out next year which will already be 7 years between albums then her label will buy her or out or just drop her and her management will drop her.
Her perfume company Coty will also drop her perfume line because of an inactive artist.
Nobody would want to associate with Shania in the business sense.
Maybe you should be her� manager then you could tell her to sit around till she is 60 yearold.

kelc317 · Senior Member

so those are the choices shes making, and i said MAYBE she won't for 5 years,maybe she will next year so she's NOT retired,do all artist announce there retirement,when did Cher the Eagles Santana say they where retiring you know what they didn't so why should Shania?and what age was Santana when he came out with is cd and how old is Dolly and Reba

-- Edited by kelc317 at 16:23, 2008-07-28

landsharkk · Senior Member

I would have liked to read more replies about the song, but once again it's like deja vu all over again. So if I disagree again, it's only because the same stuff is being said again. (did we get to the part about Dolly yet?) Couple that with so many wild yarns and what-ifs,�it's really more�gossip column gone awry.��Everybody has their opinion as we're all aware of. But I don't believe Shania is the second coming,�and I don't believe that she is Howard Hughes either. Some people have preconceived ideas about what an artist should and shouldn't do, but in the end it's the artists decision. If you honestly cared about them you wouldn't be so militant with your ivory tower ideology.

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

I care about my family first. I don't worship celebs and don't treat them any better than anyone else.If I like their music then I like their music.
Shania is doing a heck of alot better than most people with her health and wealth.
So whether I repeat myself or not, it is my opinion. My opinion means nothing to Shania or anyone else but it is my opinion.
Just because I love her music doesn't mean I can't see how Shania is always playing the victim to maker her fans feel sorry for her.
Do you actually thinks Shania gives a hoot what anyone of us fans think?
I know my repeating my opinion gets annoying but I feel strongly about it.
Shania may even be sitting back laughing at some of our posts on the boards if she ever browed the sites. She may be laughing at how she still has so many loyal fans despite doing everything in her power the last few years to lose them.

kelc317 · Senior Member

Zip i agree with a lot of your post i don't worship celbs i don't think Shania is this weak naive woman either,but you seem to want to hold her to standards that other celbs don't do either,besides i like debating you

2ndAmendment · Guru

This circle of nonsense is REALLY getting tiresome.

landsharkk · Senior Member

I care about my family first.
-- That's terrific!
�I don't worship celebs and don't treat them any better than anyone else.
If I like their music then I like their music.
-- That's the way it should be.
Shania is doing a heck of alot better than most people with her health and wealth.
-- Thanks goodness.
So whether I repeat myself or not, it is my opinion. My opinion means nothing to Shania or anyone else but it is my opinion.
-- We're aware of that.
Just because I love her music doesn't mean I can't see how Shania is always playing the victim to maker her fans feel sorry for her.
-- this is where it gets subjective, I don't think she's laying a guilt trip on us.
Do you actually thinks Shania gives a hoot what anyone of us fans think?
-- Hell yes!
I know my repeating my opinion gets annoying but I feel strongly about it.
-- Perhaps, but even you have to agree it's a bit much.
Shania may even be sitting back laughing at some of our posts on the boards if she ever browed the sites.
-- There is plenty here to laugh about that's for sure! (generally speaking)
She may be laughing at how she still has so many loyal fans despite doing everything in her power the last few years to lose them.
There will always, always be Shania fans!!

Sometimes the most rewarding treat is the one that's hardest to get.
BTW- and just out of curiosity... can you even play a note of music?

-- Edited by landsharkk at 17:02, 2008-07-28

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

kelc317 wrote:

Zip i agree with a lot of your post i don't worship celbs i don't think Shania is this weak naive woman either,but you seem to want to hold her to standards that other celbs don't do either,besides i like debating you

I am sure we will have lots to debate in the future.
I will say one thing, Shania is the luckiest artist in the world to have the most patient fans. They have to be the most loyal fans of alltime.She should be grateful towards them.
Shania will have to do some serious reconnecting with fans when she returns.

Country gal · Guru

i wouldn't mind at all if she did aww

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

landsharkk wrote:

I care about my family first.
-- That's terrific!
�I don't worship celebs and don't treat them any better than anyone else.
If I like their music then I like their music.
-- That's the way it should be.
Shania is doing a heck of alot better than most people with her health and wealth.
-- Thanks goodness.
So whether I repeat myself or not, it is my opinion. My opinion means nothing to Shania or anyone else but it is my opinion.
-- We're aware of that.
Just because I love her music doesn't mean I can't see how Shania is always playing the victim to maker her fans feel sorry for her.
-- there is where it gets subjective, I don't think she's laying a guilt trip on us.
Do you actually thinks Shania gives a hoot what anyone of us fans think?
-- Hell yes!
I know my repeating my opinion gets annoying but I feel strongly about it.
-- Perhaps, but even you have to agree it's a bit much.
Shania may even be sitting back laughing at some of our posts on the boards if she ever browed the sites.
-- There is plenty here to laugh about that's for sure! (generally speaking)
She may be laughing at how she still has so many loyal fans despite doing everything in her power the last few years to lose them.
There will always, always be Shania fans!!

Sometimes the most rewarding treat is the one that's hardest to get.
BTW- and just out of curiosity... can you even play a note of music?

You honestly think Shania cares what the fans think?
How so?
The only type of message she every sent is when she needed the fans and couldn't hide behind Mutt lange anymore.
That message was basically telling everyone how her�heart is broken and feel sorry for her.You don't think Shania has been playing the victim her whole career?
I just don't see how you think Shania�cares what any fan thinks?
Shania has lived in a bubble for� years and hid behind Mutt lange.

Do you think she is going to work with him again?

landsharkk · Senior Member

You honestly think Shania cares what the fans think? How so?
-- One doesn't have to release a CD every year to show the fans he/she is thinking and caring about them. Had she not said anything at all then you may have been on to something.
The only type of message she every sent is when she needed the fans and couldn't hide behind Mutt lange anymore.
-- I don't understand... why did she NEED to send any message?
That message was basically telling everyone how her�heart is broken and feel sorry for her.
I don't think so at all. It was basically a summation of things, and that things are and will be alright. And I thought someone else was Captain Conspiracy!
You don't think Shania has been playing the victim her whole career?
No!� Do you realize the odds she had to beat to make it? That is talent and drive my friend!
I just don't see how you think Shania�cares what any fan thinks?
-- Because I don't believe that Shania is a callous and un-feelinged person. You have your opinions, I have mine.
Shania has lived in a bubble for� years and hid behind Mutt lange.
-- In your opinion
Do you think she is going to work with him again?
-- Maybe many, MANY years from now... There is still too much scar tissue now.

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

I don't feel Shania is unfeeling either.
I do think however Shania ran away from her success and fame because she couldn't handle it. Some can handle it and some can't. And the way Shania dealt with it was being withdrawn and distant with little connection to anything,
She even said it Redbook she couldn't even look people in the eyes. She has some serious hangups and she just coudn't handle her fame or success and it made her weaker.
But when it all comes down to it none of us really know how hurt she was by Mutt's affair or how long she was seperated or their marriage relationship.
I only can judge by her actions and I think I have made my point clear on many fronts.
We have different opinions .

Oh and I think you know nobody asked Shania to released an album every year lol!!! But it is coming on 7 years between studio albums. Even if she never recorded anything in 7 years�she could of had 4 albums written by now since artists are always working on songs.

-- Edited by ZippyDoo at 17:33, 2008-07-28

Country gal · Guru

that's a good post Zippo. smile

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

Country gal wrote:

that's a good post Zippo.

Zippy does his best to entertain and even gets a good post in once in��a blue moon

Country gal · Guru

Zippy does his best to entertain and even gets a good post in once in a blue moon
�

� biggrin biggrin at least you are not sybil,

seriously who is going to the Centre this August from Alberta??you or is sybil from Alberta too?? weirdface confused

landsharkk · Senior Member

You must have over-looked that question asking you Kevy if you can even play one note of music... and if so, what instrument?

kelc317 · Senior Member

well i don't think she hide behind Mutt, i think she tried to make excuses for Mutt and there marriage,she gave interviews went to award shows and charity events,i don't think she is withdrawn she's just making excuses for Mutt

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

landsharkk wrote:

You must have over-looked that question asking you Kevy if you can even play one note of music... and if so, what instrument?

Am I on trial?
What is the punishment if I say no ?
Why does it matter?

ZippyDoo · Senior Member

kelc317 wrote:

well i don't think she hide behind Mutt, i think she tried to make excuses for Mutt and there marriage,she gave interviews went to award shows and charity events,i don't think she is withdrawn she's just making excuses for Mutt

I agree with you there. She went on many interviews defending Mutt and making excuses for Mutt and why he never comes to events.
It is pretty sad that Mutt never had the guts to go with her to even her Canadian order of canada event.
She sacrificed lots for him but he was selfish in his ways.

Country gal · Guru

ZippyDoo wrote:

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kelc317 wrote:

well i don't think she hide behind Mutt, i think she tried to make excuses for Mutt and there marriage,she gave interviews went to award shows and charity events,i don't think she is withdrawn she's just making excuses for Mutt

I agree with you there. She went on many interviews defending Mutt and making excuses for Mutt and why he never comes to events.
It is pretty sad that Mutt never had the guts to go with her to even her Canadian order of canada event.
She sacrificed lots for him but he was selfish in his ways.
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you are right,
Mutt should at least have went with� her when she received the Order,that was huge and it wasn't a celebrity event,it was way more importand,he is shelfish. yawn

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landsharkk · Senior Member

Well it's obvious from your response(s) that you cannot play a note of music Kevy,
so I'll dispel yet another�misconception you have...
Dolly is a very unique individual if she can in fact write 50-60 songs a month.
I guess some can, but it is only the rarest of people who do!
The point is, you are not comparing apples to apples.

kelc317 · Senior Member

and maybe that was the problem with there being no new music, they were having personal problems,my wife would have divorced me years ago if i didn't do things with her,i read on another board in the last few years she didnt talk about mutt much,is this true?

-- Edited by kelc317 at 18:12, 2008-07-28

2ndAmendment · Guru

ZippyDoo wrote:

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kelc317 wrote:

well i don't think she hide behind Mutt, i think she tried to make excuses for Mutt and there marriage,she gave interviews went to award shows and charity events,i don't think she is withdrawn she's just making excuses for Mutt

I agree with you there. She went on many interviews defending Mutt and making excuses for Mutt and why he never comes to events.
It is pretty sad that Mutt never had the guts to go with her to even her Canadian order of canada event.
She sacrificed lots for him but he was selfish in his ways.
�

This is true, and even though I gave them the benefit of doubt over the years thinking well they have a good understanding between each other, it did bug me that he was never there for him.� Now that Mutt dumped her, it makes me more angry knowing what Shania was left with when no Mutt appearances in 14 years of marriage.� Selfish jerk who is not the man he seemed to be.

I know it works for Dolly and her husband, but Mutt is a whole different animal.

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2ndAmendment · Guru

kelc317 wrote:

and maybe that was the problem with there being no new music, they were having personal problems,my wife would have divorced me years ago if i didn't do things with her,i read on another board in the last few years she didnt talk about mutt much,is this true?

-- Edited by kelc317 at 18:12, 2008-07-28

No that's what leaves people confused, she talked about Mutt all the time and her expressions showed she was gaga for this guy.� She really tried, it's a shame.