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I once interviewed Shania Twain in a small room in the basement of Hamiltons Copps Coliseum. I remember shed brought her dog and her publicist made very clear that one was not to look at, touch or otherwise acknowledge the handsome beast (a German shepherd, if memory serves). 

I recall little else. Except the realization that Shania Twain and the average human being have almost nothing in common beyond the fact that they are roughly of the same species. Not just because Shania Twain isrightly or wronglyadmired and appreciated by millions, but because, not coincidentally, her life is insulated and managed by, quite literally, dozens of aides, advisors, experts and paid confidants, each representing a layer between her and what might be considered normal reality. This is probably recognized, possibly even taken for granted, by anyone observing celebrity. But maybe its not fully understood until you find yourself speaking to someone so far removed.

Anyway. I raise this only because interviewing Shania Twain is roughly equivalent to spending a day in the approximate company of Stephen Harper.

Setting aside the fact that the life of a national leader is inherently unlike the existence of the average human being and that all political campaigns involve insulating the candidate and stage-managing his or her surroundings, the degree to which Harper currently exists in a manufactured reality, entirely separate from yours and mine, is altogether remarkable. His staffand they are numerousare essentially producing a live-action motion picture in real time. Everyone in his midst becomes an actor, everything a prop, Harper the leading man moving from one carefully crafted scene to another. Everything is considered. No one enters his midst without purpose. No action takes place without calculated cause.

(As an aside, its increasingly hard to believe Harper is a reluctant participant. Not least after he allowed his office to arrange for photographers to be present when he walked his daughter to school yesterday. That was not the act of a man bound and determined to preserve some kind of a normal existence beyond his political life.)

But heres the difference between Shania Twain and Stephen Harper (or at least the one of many differences that is relevant to this discussion). In Shania Twains world, the individual is celebrated for resisting the bubble, for maintaining or appearing to maintain some kind of authenticity amid the luxury and artifice. In  Stephen Harpers world, the bubble is celebrated, the candidate revered for existing in a properly constructed and peaceful sphere. This even has its own clichethe self-aggrandizing idea forwarded by residents of the bubble that running a proper campaign means you can run a proper government.

This is probably preposterous. Or at least a really, really depressing statement on democracy. Unless this is still high school and the primary qualification for elected leadership is the ability to organize a kick-ass prom.

Of course, thats not to deny that how a campaign manages its bubble doesnt matter to voters. It seems to. Implicitly, people seem to apparently find some value in whether or not a party can organize a particularly meaningful photo-op. But is that because it actually matters? Or because the reporters, columnists, correspondents, strategists and anonymous senior Liberals who govern the proceedings tell us it matters?  

This could go off on any number of pseudo-philosophical, thumb-sucking tangents. But heres maybe the conundrum we keep coming back to: is politics sport or is it life? If this matters, in what way does it matter? Are we looking for the person who most skillfully plays the game or the person who best understands how the game relates to what we would recognize as reality? And is it possible to live in a perfectly structured bubble and still claim to understand whats going on beyond it?

http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/10/01/btc-life-closely-watched/

Aaron Wherry appeared on VH1's What's It Like: The Return of Shania, thought the name was familiar.
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How isolated she must be and probably really lonely in Switzerland. Plus the fact that she probably doesn't trust anyone. Now Mutt has a new hit with Nickol back even the words of his new hit must be haunting for her. I believe she truly loved Mutt in the beginning. Probably they both have had their differences over the years but how can you write such love songs if there is no feeling behind it? In the interviews when she was first married, she looked soo happy, like her feet were not touching the ground. I think she always wanted the marriage to work, he ended it when he had an affair. So for years he has isolated her, almost like she was in a cult where your behavior was dictated by Mutt. She never said a bad word ever about him and probably never will. She needs to be deprogrammed from her former existence. She probably looks back and is embarrassed that what she thought was a perfect life was not. She has to get her confidence back. I don't think money is important to her. I think if she lost it all she wouldn't care as long as Eja was taken care of.Plus these are only my thoughts, I have no proof. I think she is truly embarrassed that people idolize her, that she is really inside insecure. So she may really be a tortured soul and no one made any of us buy any of her merchandize. She always gave you your money's worth at her shows and on her albums, and even her perfume is nice. I think she needs a fan base that is supportive, not one where she reads how awful she is, I think you are cruel to her , I pray for her and her family and that she has confidence and strength to come back better than ever and that she surrounds herself with family and friends that truly love her.

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Linda...Thanks for proving me right and NO,I am not talking about Shania..Bobby boy

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How isolated she must be and probably really lonely in Switzerland. Plus the fact that she probably doesn't trust anyone. Now Mutt has a new hit with Nickol back even the words of his new hit must be haunting for her. I believe she truly loved Mutt in the beginning. Probably they both have had their differences over the years but how can you write such love songs if there is no feeling behind it? In the interviews when she was first married, she looked soo happy, like her feet were not touching the ground. I think she always wanted the marriage to work, he ended it when he had an affair. So for years he has isolated her, almost like she was in a cult where your behavior was dictated by Mutt. She never said a bad word ever about him and probably never will. She needs to be deprogrammed from her former existence. She probably looks back and is embarrassed that what she thought was a perfect life was not. She has to get her confidence back. I don't think money is important to her. I think if she lost it all she wouldn't care as long as Eja was taken care of.Plus these are only my thoughts, I have no proof. I think she is truly embarrassed that people idolize her, that she is really inside insecure. So she may really be a tortured soul and no one made any of us buy any of her merchandize. She always gave you your money's worth at her shows and on her albums, and even her perfume is nice. I think she needs a fan base that is supportive, not one where she reads how awful she is, I think you are cruel to her , I pray for her and her family and that she has confidence and strength to come back better than ever and that she surrounds herself with family and friends that truly love her.



Oh please, stop being over dramitic about someone who doesn't care if you even exist.
Don't pray for Shania, she has her health and massive wealth.
go and pray for suffering kids dying of diseases or woman in divorces who are abused and have no money to go on.
Nobody is cruel to Shania, but nobody should treat her like a God and better than anyone else.
Shania has been playing the victim her whole life so people like you eat it all up.
If you want to look at reality, look at people who don't  have the money to go on or are abused and   have nowhere to turn, pray for these people.
Or better yet go and help out at a childrens hospital and look after kids with diseases who never know what normal is.
Shania has played with the fans emotions for years. She knew exactly what she go into and the only victim is Eja.
It is amazing how naive some fans are just beause they fall for the sweet innocent Shania act all the time.
Many fans are tired of her act.I have been a long time fan and the only cruel person is in how Shania has treated her fans over the years.

Another thing, Mutt didn't isolate her, she choose to  be isolated. Even after the divorce she will be the same hermit she always was because she has the money now and doesn't need the fans.
I still laugh at how some fans portray Shania as so innocnet and Mutt dragging her out to be isolated. It was an equal marriage and Shania knew exactly what she was doing.

-- Edited by EveryBodyLovesKevy at 12:10, 2008-10-05

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To each his own

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twainee wrote:

To each his own




 Amen.

Don't worry about the reactions and replies.  And thank you for your postings.



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Twainee I have to agree with you your post is dead on. I think it is unfortunate that some fans feel Shania owes them something. She helped create beautiful music. She gave that to us and we bought it and then we attended her concerts. Her debt to us has been paid nicely. If she never comes out with another cd that is fine. We were fortunate to get what we got. She owes us nothing. She does not have to explain herself to anyone. You are right about Mutt moving on but then he distanced himself from Shania with that other woman. He was ready to take on a new project. What the future holds for Shania I don't know but I also know unless music is involved it is none of our business

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Twainee I have to agree with you your post is dead on. I think it is unfortunate that some fans feel Shania owes them something. She helped create beautiful music. She gave that to us and we bought it and then we attended her concerts. Her debt to us has been paid nicely. If she never comes out with another cd that is fine. We were fortunate to get what we got. She owes us nothing. She does not have to explain herself to anyone. You are right about Mutt moving on but then he distanced himself from Shania with that other woman. He was ready to take on a new project. What the future holds for Shania I don't know but I also know unless music is involved it is none of our business



lmao!!! Keep on spinning the same stuff and you may actually believe it.
Shania could do what she wants, you are right about that.
And she will be forever  known as Mutt's puppet,a weak person and a person  never passionated about music who took the money and ran.
Now isn't that a great legacy to leave.
Nobody except a few gullable people actually believe what you say Lulu.
In fact her managment and label are fed up with her and her games.
And Coty will cut her contract because she has not lived up to her part of the deal. She has to be an active artist and she hasn't been active since the last 2 perfumes she put out. So expect Coty to tell her to get off her butt or they terminate the contract.
Expect Shania to loose everything she worked for if she doesn't show any signs of life.
And contrary to what you think, most artists believe they do have a responsibiltyowe their fans something.
If Shania thinks the way you do then she is even more selish than I thought.
So keep talking like you do and when the real truth comes out about the split then you will feel ashamed you defended her and it will be her last straw with the fans she has left.



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Kevy, the truth is I no longer read your posts. I glance at them and realized it is the same bitter and angry kevy posting. You are entitled to your opinion as am I. The notion that Shania owes her fans an explanation as to where she is in her life I happen to think of as absurd. She paid her dues to her fans with 3 great cds and 2 tours. If she comes out with anything else it will be just gravy. I for one don't understand your bitterness and anger directed at this woman. It makes no sense at all.


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He does it to wind people up and so far it seems to be working. I didn't think he was going to bother posting anymore and now he's back, many of his comments are offputting and fans are fed up of the bashing. 

-- Edited by twain2country at 17:11, 2008-10-05

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Kevy, the truth is I no longer read your posts. I glance at them and realized it is the same bitter and angry kevy posting. You are entitled to your opinion as am I. The notion that Shania owes her fans an explanation as to where she is in her life I happen to think of as absurd. She paid her dues to her fans with 3 great cds and 2 tours. If she comes out with anything else it will be just gravy. I for one don't understand your bitterness and anger directed at this woman. It makes no sense at all.



You obviously do read my posts because you keep responding because you know I say the truth. I am not angry or bitter, just telling the facts that you don't like to hear. I am not the only one who feels this way, a growing  number of people do including her management and label and Coty.
What makes no sense of all is your defense of everything Shania does and telling everyone we should never question anything she does because nothing is our business.
YOu are wrong Lulu again, it is our business when we gave millions to her and she runs aways and does not tell the fans the truth.
I think you are far removed from reality like Shania.Most people I talk to share my view.
The most absurd thing is that you feel  nobody should ever question her or question her motives. You think she is above it all and your non stop defense of everthing she does is what is absurd.



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He does it to wind people up and so far it seems to be working. I didn't think he was going to bother posting on this board anymore and now he's back, many of his comments are offputting and fans are fed up of the bashing.



Actually I post it because it is the truth. I am not trying to change anyones mind here and I am not bashing. I have been  a Shania fan for 14 years and defended her for many of those years. But I do see  the real Shania now and in a different light. I still  love her music but she has lost my respect as an so called artist and as a person.
I am the only voice on this site along with grapeowner and Bobby sometimes, that speak their mind and don't worship Shania.
We tell it like it is and we are tired of being lied to by Shania and her team.



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You post your truth, big difference. As for people feeling like Shania owes them something well I have news for you they don't feel she owes them anything. They are busy living their lives. Now you speak for her label, her management and all of her fanbase. That too is absurd. I am not going to respond to your next post. It is going to be the same resentful angry feelings by you. Your POV is not the majority of how fans feel about Shania.

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We know that Shania has her flaws, but we shouldn't turn this board into a 'let's pick on Shania' thread.

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You post your truth, big difference. As for people feeling like Shania owes them something well I have news for you they don't feel she owes them anything. They are busy living their lives. Now you speak for her label, her management and all of her fanbase. That too is absurd. I am not going to respond to your next post. It is going to be the same resentful angry feelings by you. Your POV is not the majority of how fans feel about Shania.



Wrong again lulu, I have got emails back from her managment and lablel stating they have serious problems with how she deals with her fans and her career.
We all have lives and many of us don't have the luxury to sit on our butts like Shania does. So why do you sit around defending a zillionaire who took the fans money and has no interest in music or her fans.
If you have a life like you claim then why bother posting to defend Shania when she doesn't even care if you exist.
Maybe we should all get our priorities right, including me.
Lets close all the sites and forums and ignore Shania like she has the fans.
Maybe then she will get what she wants, for everyone to leave her alone and she can spend all our money.



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You know I wouldn't keep repeating myself if you would stop this absurd defense of Shania.
You could just say," you know Kevy you are right but we can't do anything about how Shania acts but you make some good points".

But instead all I heard is the most absurd defense of her and I respond.

-- Edited by EveryBodyLovesKevy at 17:28, 2008-10-05

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Kevy, your shrink is calling, you missed your last appointment!

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Kevy, your shrink is calling, you missed your last appointment!




Me a shrink? Have you read your over the top comment above about how we should all pray for Shania lol!!!
At least I put things in perspective and pray for kids suffering of diseases and those who have it really tough.



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I guess the fact that my Mom has recently been diagnosed with advanced stomach cancer has put all this in to perspective. My Mom is now home but is confined to bed and can't eat, she'll probably be gone before Christmas.furious These are the things that matter, not crying crocodile tears and living your life through a person you don't know. Kevy's right for once that illness and the death of people is more important than the breakdown of a marriage between multi millionares. I suggest those people on here getting teary eyed over the breakdown of a marriage start living the own lives and worrying about their own loved ones, believe me you should enjoy every moment you have with them while you can. Believe me Shania will have felt ten times the grief when she lost her own parents than she's going through now. As Kevy said their marriage has been a sham for many years, a marriage of convience for her carear, only the blinkered fans couldn't accept that.

As for Mutt been the person who held her back and hid her away all these years, we're starting to see now that she was more than a willing partner. Mutt has the image of been a weird recluse because he doesn't do interviews or like been seen out. So what? there's many other people who don't like playing the fame game. He's the man in the studio behind the board, if he wanted the fame he had more than the talent to be a great musician. He always was the same, but when he married Shania the media tried to portray him as a weird hermit figure. The truth is he was the man who made Shania a star and was the guy who tried to push her for more music, but she prefered the life away from the glare and became content to bank her money. He even had to talk her into coming back with Up! in 2002, she was probably planning her retirement back then. I've read people say they fell out in the studio last year over the direction of the new album, maybe it was more a case of Shania not wanting to be there and having to make a  comeback. Look at Mutt he just brushed himself down and used his Swiss studio to make a new album with Nickelback, I'm sure he wished it was with Shania instead. Mutt won't hold grudges and I'm sure they could still work together if Shania would put her shopping aside and get her finger out again and start grafting. The only pics I've seen of Shania the last few years are off her with bags in her hands and shades on as she flits between designer shops. It's just as well that the celeb media ignore her as she'd look as bad as Victoria Beckham. Maybe that's how she'd prefer to spend her next 10 years, I tell you what I won't be holding my breath for her new album. Of course we have no right to tell her how to live her life, but we have a right to an opinion as she needed us when she was starting out.

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I'm sorry about your mother, I lost mine of pancreatic cancer in 1988, and I still miss her every day. I hope that you have strength , faith and friends to help you. God bless your family. I'm sorry if my posts upset anyone, I just get tired of the negative posts on here, life is hard enough for everyone . Some have much more to bear than others. Hospice can offer you help if offered in your area. Their goal is comfort , support and peace in the most difficult time of anyone's life.

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I too am so sorry to hear about your mom. I lost mine 10 years ago and their are times to this day that I miss her. My prayers are with you and your family. I pray that you have a good support system thru this difficult time. Twainee, I am tired of all the negative posts on here to.

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I guess the fact that my Mom has recently been diagnosed with advanced stomach cancer has put all this in to perspective. My Mom is now home but is confined to bed and can't eat, she'll probably be gone before Christmas.furious These are the things that matter, not crying crocodile tears and living your life through a person you don't know. Kevy's right for once that illness and the death of people is more important than the breakdown of a marriage between multi millionares. I suggest those people on here getting teary eyed over the breakdown of a marriage start living the own lives and worrying about their own loved ones, believe me you should enjoy every moment you have with them while you can. Believe me Shania will have felt ten times the grief when she lost her own parents than she's going through now. As Kevy said their marriage has been a sham for many years, a marriage of convience for her carear, only the blinkered fans couldn't accept that.

As for Mutt been the person who held her back and hid her away all these years, we're starting to see now that she was more than a willing partner. Mutt has the image of been a weird recluse because he doesn't do interviews or like been seen out. So what? there's many other people who don't like playing the fame game. He's the man in the studio behind the board, if he wanted the fame he had more than the talent to be a great musician. He always was the same, but when he married Shania the media tried to portray him as a weird hermit figure. The truth is he was the man who made Shania a star and was the guy who tried to push her for more music, but she prefered the life away from the glare and became content to bank her money. He even had to talk her into coming back with Up! in 2002, she was probably planning her retirement back then. I've read people say they fell out in the studio last year over the direction of the new album, maybe it was more a case of Shania not wanting to be there and having to make a  comeback. Look at Mutt he just brushed himself down and used his Swiss studio to make a new album with Nickelback, I'm sure he wished it was with Shania instead. Mutt won't hold grudges and I'm sure they could still work together if Shania would put her shopping aside and get her finger out again and start grafting. The only pics I've seen of Shania the last few years are off her with bags in her hands and shades on as she flits between designer shops. It's just as well that the celeb media ignore her as she'd look as bad as Victoria Beckham. Maybe that's how she'd prefer to spend her next 10 years, I tell you what I won't be holding my breath for her new album. Of course we have no right to tell her how to live her life, but we have a right to an opinion as she needed us when she was starting out.



Sorry to hear about your mother. Cancer is an evil thing.
I just was really tired of some fans with the over the top sympathy for a zillionaire who has her health and still has the world at her feet.

We all go through tough times and some much more tough than others like your mother.It really upsets me how Shania played with her fans emotions and said my broken heart in her letter.
She has used every excuse in the book for her lack of passion for music. I don't know or care about their marriage, life goes on and they both have their health and wealth.
Message to Shania- If you have no passion for music then say so and just retire. It is your life but the least you owe is honesty to your fans and not leading them on year after year.


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I too am so sorry to hear about your mom. I lost mine 10 years ago and their are times to this day that I miss her. My prayers are with you and your family. I pray that you have a good support system thru this difficult time. Twainee, I am tired of all the negative posts on here to.



If you don't want negative posts then stop with the over top sympathy for Shania and put things in perspective.



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I'm sorry about your mother, I lost mine of pancreatic cancer in 1988, and I still miss her every day. I hope that you have strength , faith and friends to help you. God bless your family. I'm sorry if my posts upset anyone, I just get tired of the negative posts on here, life is hard enough for everyone . Some have much more to bear than others. Hospice can offer you help if offered in your area. Their goal is comfort , support and peace in the most difficult time of anyone's life.



Thanks Linda and Lulu and Kevy for the nice messages. Maybe I shouldn't have used my personal situation to make a point or contrast to Shania's, maybe I was just looking for an excuse to talk about my hurt and fears.

I hear what you say Linda about the Hospice for the final days or weeks. I just get the feeling my Mom maybe happier at home surrounded by her family. We're all chipping in and visiting each day and running errands and helping out, sadly I know It'll get worse as she starts to get pain down the line. I don't know, life is so unfair as she's only 60 and it came out of nowhere. What can you do? The problem is it's advanced and spread.

I guess Shania went through hell when she lost her parents and I would never knock her for bringing it up in interviews as she will never forget them or the day she lost them. I do agree with Kevy that we shouldn't jump to conclusions about her seperation. I think there's too much assuming things without knowing the full story. Come on Shania fans, when the news broke of the split were you really shocked? I know for a fact I wasn't. I honestly think this has been due for many years. I just don't see how with that much of an age difference and different personalities that you won't drift apart. As for the affair, who knows the full truth?



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Hospice can support you and your family at home, they are experts in pain and symptom control.They usually have trained volunteers to help you and support you and your family while you are helping your mom. They want to help provide a pain free and meaningful existence for as long as possible because no one really knows how long someone has on this earth except the man upstairs. I wish you the best.

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