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kelc317 · Guru

Shania to make announcement about new album? - Unofficial update P. 17

PurplePeopleEater · Guru

What else do you expect from him? confuse

Sam · Senior Member

EveryBodyLovesKevy wrote:

misskiwi wrote:

Sam wrote:

kelc317 wrote:

Well i have to disagree about the fans making her.I think Shania made herself,she was the one singing from the age of 8 and all the other hard work that i'm sure she put in before being famous.To think that because we as fans bought a cd or went to a concert that we own Shania and now have a right to tell Shania how to live her life or we made her is silly.Nobody put a gun to anyone's head to spend money on shania,I spend thousands of dollars at Stop & Shop and Walmart,does that give me a right to tell them how they should run their business?As far as the singers I mentioned above about preforming in their 40's and 50's that some how their ONLY country stars,how about Madonna,Diana Ross,Gloria Estefan,Janet Jackson,Cher all world wide stars all took long breaks from singing,and came back.

-- Edited by kelc317 on Monday 18th of May 2009 10:05:38 PM

I am with you on this Kelc317......we did not make her. No one makes anyone else....that is an absurd statement. We all have a right to our own lives and we all get to choose how we live that life. To suggest otherwise implies a lack of life experience. Once again another fan who treats her as an object and not a human being. It's all me me me...

I don't think expressing ones opinion about Shania's lack of follow through as selfish. Shania decided to be in a business where you are a public figure, a role model to some, an icon to others and other things. Marilyn Monroe was insightful enough to recognize that the people make the celebrities legends as the studios will make anyone famous. Whoever collaborated with Shania Twain on the vision for global success would've realized this vision with or without her. She happened to come at the right place at the right time and injected her dose of 'Shania' in order to stand out. If we as fans/consumers didn't buy into this cult of celebrity in the form of fan clubs, getting autographs, getting psyched about celebrity sightings, wanting to visit your favorite stars hangouts, dress like them and be like them, they'd be working singers who happen to be famous. The bad part is when the stars believe their own hype and abuse their power. In a way Ka-Ching talks about this rabid consumerism. While the song doesn't explicitly address fame, Shania and other celebrities contribute to the mass consumerism that has enriched them. How much $€£ would Shania be worth if not for the fans who spend hundreds and thousands on concerts, DVD's, fan club dues and merchandise, CD's and downloads and cable TV specials? Not nearly as much as the half billion that Shania is reportedly worth? If Shania was a studio and concert act with little fanfare, she'd be Jill Blow. When Shania came out on the scene she said she wanted to be as big as Garth Brooks. That's not humble and it comes with a responsibility as Garth knew because he has always been there for the fans. When he retired he at least let the public know that he was going back to OK and the paparazzi has left him alone and the fans understand. It's all in how you do things and say them.

Don't worry about the few who bash you here for your opinion.
I have been bashed and called a non fan simply because I don't kiss Shania's butt and I have the nerve to question her.
You are correct in most of what you say.
Shania has not treated her fans with respect for many years.
There are real people suffereing of diseases and real heartache and illness and they have no money.
Human decency is showing your fans respect and not running away from them and only returning when you want to sell perfume or music once every 5 years.
Human decency is what Reba and Dolly do as they respect their fans and show a connection with them.
There is too many excuses being made for a zillionare who couldn't care if we even existed.
Lets put our time into the less fortunated like poor children suffering or woman going through tough abusive relationships and no money and nobody to turn to.
What I say is rational as it gets.
Anyone who cares or worries about Shania's little problem more than the real people suffereing then they need a reality check.

Kevy you really should not use the term human decency in such a trivial manner. The fans have been told that she needs time........that's all you need to be told. The fact that you need more is all about you, and not about Shania. Why don't you find another hobby to focus on while Shania is dealing with her life. This current ranting/bashing trend you are on is just plain uncalled for, and you behaviour at this point is bordering on psychotic. I realize you will just rant on what I have said but it needs to be said. My hope is that you really do get some counselling someday........and don't bother to come back here and tell me that I need counselling.......it only proves just how much help you really need. By the way what I have just said is called constructive criticism.......not bashing. You really do need help.

Tommy · Guru

Okay, let's just all move on.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

Sam wrote:

EveryBodyLovesKevy wrote:

misskiwi wrote:

Sam wrote:

kelc317 wrote:

Well i have to disagree about the fans making her.I think Shania made herself,she was the one singing from the age of 8 and all the other hard work that i'm sure she put in before being famous.To think that because we as fans bought a cd or went to a concert that we own Shania and now have a right to tell Shania how to live her life or we made her is silly.Nobody put a gun to anyone's head to spend money on shania,I spend thousands of dollars at Stop & Shop and Walmart,does that give me a right to tell them how they should run their business?As far as the singers I mentioned above about preforming in their 40's and 50's that some how their ONLY country stars,how about Madonna,Diana Ross,Gloria Estefan,Janet Jackson,Cher all world wide stars all took long breaks from singing,and came back.

-- Edited by kelc317 on Monday 18th of May 2009 10:05:38 PM

I am with you on this Kelc317......we did not make her. No one makes anyone else....that is an absurd statement. We all have a right to our own lives and we all get to choose how we live that life. To suggest otherwise implies a lack of life experience. Once again another fan who treats her as an object and not a human being. It's all me me me...

I don't think expressing ones opinion about Shania's lack of follow through as selfish. Shania decided to be in a business where you are a public figure, a role model to some, an icon to others and other things. Marilyn Monroe was insightful enough to recognize that the people make the celebrities legends as the studios will make anyone famous. Whoever collaborated with Shania Twain on the vision for global success would've realized this vision with or without her. She happened to come at the right place at the right time and injected her dose of 'Shania' in order to stand out. If we as fans/consumers didn't buy into this cult of celebrity in the form of fan clubs, getting autographs, getting psyched about celebrity sightings, wanting to visit your favorite stars hangouts, dress like them and be like them, they'd be working singers who happen to be famous. The bad part is when the stars believe their own hype and abuse their power. In a way Ka-Ching talks about this rabid consumerism. While the song doesn't explicitly address fame, Shania and other celebrities contribute to the mass consumerism that has enriched them. How much $€£ would Shania be worth if not for the fans who spend hundreds and thousands on concerts, DVD's, fan club dues and merchandise, CD's and downloads and cable TV specials? Not nearly as much as the half billion that Shania is reportedly worth? If Shania was a studio and concert act with little fanfare, she'd be Jill Blow. When Shania came out on the scene she said she wanted to be as big as Garth Brooks. That's not humble and it comes with a responsibility as Garth knew because he has always been there for the fans. When he retired he at least let the public know that he was going back to OK and the paparazzi has left him alone and the fans understand. It's all in how you do things and say them.

Don't worry about the few who bash you here for your opinion.
I have been bashed and called a non fan simply because I don't kiss Shania's butt and I have the nerve to question her.
You are correct in most of what you say.
Shania has not treated her fans with respect for many years.
There are real people suffereing of diseases and real heartache and illness and they have no money.
Human decency is showing your fans respect and not running away from them and only returning when you want to sell perfume or music once every 5 years.
Human decency is what Reba and Dolly do as they respect their fans and show a connection with them.
There is too many excuses being made for a zillionare who couldn't care if we even existed.
Lets put our time into the less fortunated like poor children suffering or woman going through tough abusive relationships and no money and nobody to turn to.
What I say is rational as it gets.
Anyone who cares or worries about Shania's little problem more than the real people suffereing then they need a reality check.

Kevy you really should not use the term human decency in such a trivial manner. The fans have been told that she needs time........that's all you need to be told. The fact that you need more is all about you, and not about Shania. Why don't you find another hobby to focus on while Shania is dealing with her life. This current ranting/bashing trend you are on is just plain uncalled for, and you behaviour at this point is bordering on psychotic. I realize you will just rant on what I have said but it needs to be said. My hope is that you really do get some counselling someday........and don't bother to come back here and tell me that I need counselling.......it only proves just how much help you really need. By the way what I have just said is called constructive criticism.......not bashing. You really do need help.

I think when somebody calls me psychotic then I have a right to defend myself.
Sam, I think you better look in the mirror and see who the real irrational person.
The one who needs help is clearly you. You have said about 20 times that you won't respond to me again but you can't help it. It is you who doesn't understand that my opinion is different than yours.
And it is you who does't understand that we as fans have every right to judge Shania.
I don't worship the Shania shrine like you seem to do.
Now like you told, I really mean it sam, you need to get some help because what you say is not irrational.
And before you call me psychotic for my opinion look in the mirror real hard and see who you are defending.
Watch very carefully what names you call me because any logical person outside the Shania clique would look at both of our comments and think you are the one who seriously needs help, and I mean that with all honestly.
Go spend your time defending those who really need help.
I bet I have done more for charity than you can even imagine and I have a more level head on my shoulder than you can ever imagine.
Your over the top defense of Shania is borders on the line of delusional.
I would of never of made another post regarding this except you called me phycotic and I have ever right to defend against such lies and slander.
Get help now before it is too late.
And the funny thing is that many,many fans have expressed the same feeling as me and even went further. I guess they are all phycotic too? lol!!!
Deal with reality, not everyone has your view on the way Shania treats her fans and not everyone wants to kiss her butt all the time.
Maybe you should ignore my posts if you don't agree unless as you have proven than you are not capable of that. So I think you should get help for this problem very quick.

-- Edited by EveryBodyLovesKevy on Wednesday 20th of May 2009 01:40:48 PM

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

Tommy wrote:

Okay, let's just all move on.

No problem Tommy but when an over zealous Shania clique member calls me phycotic simply for my opinion then I have a right to defendy myself unless that post is deleted in which she used slander towards me.
These are the type of people who really need help. They say they will never respond to me again but yet they can't help themselves and they use worse terms and slander than I ever have.
So that was my last posting regarding this topic unless I am called slanderous names again and have to defend myself.

-- Edited by EveryBodyLovesKevy on Wednesday 20th of May 2009 01:35:27 PM

misskiwi · Veteran Member

PurplePeopleEater wrote:

Tonto wrote:

misskiwi wrote:

Sam wrote:

kelc317 wrote:

Well i have to disagree about the fans making her.I think Shania made herself,she was the one singing from the age of 8 and all the other hard work that i'm sure she put in before being famous.To think that because we as fans bought a cd or went to a concert that we own Shania and now have a right to tell Shania how to live her life or we made her is silly.Nobody put a gun to anyone's head to spend money on shania,I spend thousands of dollars at Stop & Shop and Walmart,does that give me a right to tell them how they should run their business?As far as the singers I mentioned above about preforming in their 40's and 50's that some how their ONLY country stars,how about Madonna,Diana Ross,Gloria Estefan,Janet Jackson,Cher all world wide stars all took long breaks from singing,and came back.

-- Edited by kelc317 on Monday 18th of May 2009 10:05:38 PM

I am with you on this Kelc317......we did not make her. No one makes anyone else....that is an absurd statement. We all have a right to our own lives and we all get to choose how we live that life. To suggest otherwise implies a lack of life experience. Once again another fan who treats her as an object and not a human being. It's all me me me...

I don't think expressing ones opinion about Shania's lack of follow through as selfish. Shania decided to be in a business where you are a public figure, a role model to some, an icon to others and other things. Marilyn Monroe was insightful enough to recognize that the people make the celebrities legends as the studios will make anyone famous. Whoever collaborated with Shania Twain on the vision for global success would've realized this vision with or without her. She happened to come at the right place at the right time and injected her dose of 'Shania' in order to stand out. If we as fans/consumers didn't buy into this cult of celebrity in the form of fan clubs, getting autographs, getting psyched about celebrity sightings, wanting to visit your favorite stars hangouts, dress like them and be like them, they'd be working singers who happen to be famous. The bad part is when the stars believe their own hype and abuse their power. In a way Ka-Ching talks about this rabid consumerism. While the song doesn't explicitly address fame, Shania and other celebrities contribute to the mass consumerism that has enriched them. How much $€£ would Shania be worth if not for the fans who spend hundreds and thousands on concerts, DVD's, fan club dues and merchandise, CD's and downloads and cable TV specials? Not nearly as much as the half billion that Shania is reportedly worth? If Shania was a studio and concert act with little fanfare, she'd be Jill Blow. When Shania came out on the scene she said she wanted to be as big as Garth Brooks. That's not humble and it comes with a responsibility as Garth knew because he has always been there for the fans. When he retired he at least let the public know that he was going back to OK and the paparazzi has left him alone and the fans understand. It's all in how you do things and say them.
I don't understand where you get that Shania has not followed through. She has up until now and you have to give her a chance and more time. After all she is going through a divorce right when she was scheduled to release a new Cd and if Mutt produced it you can understand why she scrapped it. I'm sure if it wasn't scrapped for personal reasons then it was for professional and legal reasons as the red tape of it all would be so hard to figure out. If she did scrap what she had then it will take her time to start over with it all. I am sure she is creating as we speak. I agree that we did not make her. She made herself and did a darn great job of it considering everything she has had to deal with her whole life. And if she wasn't famous she would still be playing her guitar and singing and creating for some lucky friends who are lucky enough to be in her life. She has the right to live as she pleases just because we bought her stuff and still buy it it does not mean that we own her or the right to tell her how to live her life. You buy a car it's paid for the dealership owes you nothing else unless they write it down and you sign a contract. I bought a Shania CD does that mean I have the right to expect her to come to my house and sing the songs live just because I bought the CD? No!! I wish. Shania has worked hard and deserves everything she has or she would not have it. She owes nothing to anyone but when she is with the fans they have her undivided attention and we normally suck her dry so when she is out of the spotlight she deserves to live as she chooses without anyone expecting things from her all the time. We as fans take all the time when do we give back. There are zillions of us and only one of her. Remember that and try to imagine living in a fishbowl and never being able to trust anyone because you know they all always want something from you and are willing to sell you out for money about your personal life and all your personal secrets. How paranoid would that make you and how much would you cherish your privacy if it was all taken away by people you don't even know just because they bought something of yours. Just my thoughts.
Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

Indubitably ... just think about Elvis.

We have hours of her music and DVDs and tapes to remember and enjoy Shania Twain - until she comes back.

I do not know why people complain about her absence - don't you have better things to do?

I think you need to acquire an identity outside of ST judging by your avatar. You may like your identity once you found it. You also need to respect others opinions.

misskiwi · Veteran Member

EveryBodyLovesKevy wrote:

misskiwi wrote:

Sam wrote:

kelc317 wrote:

Well i have to disagree about the fans making her.I think Shania made herself,she was the one singing from the age of 8 and all the other hard work that i'm sure she put in before being famous.To think that because we as fans bought a cd or went to a concert that we own Shania and now have a right to tell Shania how to live her life or we made her is silly.Nobody put a gun to anyone's head to spend money on shania,I spend thousands of dollars at Stop & Shop and Walmart,does that give me a right to tell them how they should run their business?As far as the singers I mentioned above about preforming in their 40's and 50's that some how their ONLY country stars,how about Madonna,Diana Ross,Gloria Estefan,Janet Jackson,Cher all world wide stars all took long breaks from singing,and came back.

-- Edited by kelc317 on Monday 18th of May 2009 10:05:38 PM

I am with you on this Kelc317......we did not make her. No one makes anyone else....that is an absurd statement. We all have a right to our own lives and we all get to choose how we live that life. To suggest otherwise implies a lack of life experience. Once again another fan who treats her as an object and not a human being. It's all me me me...

I don't think expressing ones opinion about Shania's lack of follow through as selfish. Shania decided to be in a business where you are a public figure, a role model to some, an icon to others and other things. Marilyn Monroe was insightful enough to recognize that the people make the celebrities legends as the studios will make anyone famous. Whoever collaborated with Shania Twain on the vision for global success would've realized this vision with or without her. She happened to come at the right place at the right time and injected her dose of 'Shania' in order to stand out. If we as fans/consumers didn't buy into this cult of celebrity in the form of fan clubs, getting autographs, getting psyched about celebrity sightings, wanting to visit your favorite stars hangouts, dress like them and be like them, they'd be working singers who happen to be famous. The bad part is when the stars believe their own hype and abuse their power. In a way Ka-Ching talks about this rabid consumerism. While the song doesn't explicitly address fame, Shania and other celebrities contribute to the mass consumerism that has enriched them. How much $€£ would Shania be worth if not for the fans who spend hundreds and thousands on concerts, DVD's, fan club dues and merchandise, CD's and downloads and cable TV specials? Not nearly as much as the half billion that Shania is reportedly worth? If Shania was a studio and concert act with little fanfare, she'd be Jill Blow. When Shania came out on the scene she said she wanted to be as big as Garth Brooks. That's not humble and it comes with a responsibility as Garth knew because he has always been there for the fans. When he retired he at least let the public know that he was going back to OK and the paparazzi has left him alone and the fans understand. It's all in how you do things and say them.

Don't worry about the few who bash you here for your opinion.
I have been bashed and called a non fan simply because I don't kiss Shania's butt and I have the nerve to question her.
You are correct in most of what you say.
Shania has not treated her fans with respect for many years.
There are real people suffereing of diseases and real heartache and illness and they have no money.
Human decency is showing your fans respect and not running away from them and only returning when you want to sell perfume or music once every 5 years.
Human decency is what Reba and Dolly do as they respect their fans and show a connection with them.
There is too many excuses being made for a zillionare who couldn't care if we even existed.
Lets put our time into the less fortunated like poor children suffering or woman going through tough abusive relationships and no money and nobody to turn to.
What I say is rational as it gets.
Anyone who cares or worries about Shania's little problem more than the real people suffereing then they need a reality check.

Kevy thank you for your support. We still have freedom of speech in this country. We don't asked to be liked, agreed with, but respected. I agree with most of your opinions and I share the same passion you do for justice and the suffering of others. I was a volunteer for a number of years for people living with HIV and AIDS as well as homeless Hispanic men and I assisted in child literacy so I know suffering. I also have fought for civil rights. This is entertainment for me as I live a serious life. These are my opinions on one of my favorite entertainers. I get upset because Shania can do more and better. If Shania was Britney, Rihanna or Kelly Clarkson, I'd cut her slack. More than anything if Shania would've kept her mouth shut about having new music soon after her Up tour ended I'd be cool. She's made empty promises and neglected her fans. It doesn't take much effort to release your B sides if you lack new material, host a special, release a few bonus songs and/or make a guest appearance at your own Centre. It's all in how you do things. I feel mislead and would respect Shania more if she said that she is taking time off to be with Eja and Mutt. Her tour ended in 04 and it was shorter than her COO tour. After her tour concluded she stated that she won't be so long in between albums at the CMT awards. She clearly lied and never offered an apology for not coming through. People hold you to your word even if we live in a contract based society.

PurplePeopleEater · Guru

The only clear thing here is that nothing is clear or simple.

kelc317 · Guru

I thought after her 04 tour she said she was going to take a sabbatical, and never said anything about new music,i could be mistaken but im sure i read that somewhere.I also have to disagree when someone states "she clearly lied".If you don't know whats going on in her private life making a statement like that is just over the top.She is going threw a divorce and how are we to know how much that played in there being no new music.If their marriage had been having problems for the last couple of years im sure that could be a big reason.Releasing her b sides if she lacked new material, ok but what if she just didn't think it lived up to her standers,did you want her to just release a piece of garbage.As far as this nonsense about sick kids and stuff,of course there are worst things in the world then a rich person getting divorced.Its ridiculous to compare dying children and a divorce.If your so concerned about these sick children why would you care what one singer does or doesn't do with their life when there is so much other stuff going on in the world.

misskiwi · Veteran Member

kelc317 wrote:

I thought after her 04 tour she said she was going to take a sabbatical, and never said anything about new music,i could be mistaken but im sure i read that somewhere.I also have to disagree when someone states "she clearly lied".If you don't know whats going on in her private life making a statement like that is just over the top.She is going threw a divorce and how are we to know how much that played in there being no new music.If their marriage had been having problems for the last couple of years im sure that could be a big reason.Releasing her b sides if she lacked new material, ok but what if she just didn't think it lived up to her standers,did you want her to just release a piece of garbage.As far as this nonsense about sick kids and stuff,of course there are worst things in the world then a rich person getting divorced.Its ridiculous to compare dying children and a divorce.If your so concerned about these sick children why would you care what one singer does or doesn't do with their life when there is so much other stuff going on in the world.

I thought that I made myself very clear Kelc. If you didn't understand what I said go ahead and reread what I said and if it doesn't sink in then look at it like a bottle of shampoo; lather, rinse and repeat. If you doubt what I said about the CMT Award statement look it up for yourself. Just like social issues aren't on my mind 24/7, I would presume that Shania Twain isn't in your head 24/7. It's called having a well rounded life and interests. Goodnight.

kelc317 · Guru

Well first misskiwi i apologize for the sick kids remark,that wasn't aimed at you but another member who thinks that we shouldn't have any sympathy for Shania going threw a divorce because she is rich and their a sick children in the world.I also said i could be mistaken about the remark of new music,was that at 04 CMT award show you refer to?But as far as saying that Shania lied i just think that's a very harsh statement to make when someone doesn't have all the facts.We just don't know what is happening in her private life.Usually when people lie they have a motivation for it, i just can't think of a reason why she would just lie about something like new music.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

misskiwi wrote:

EveryBodyLovesKevy wrote:

misskiwi wrote:

Sam wrote:

kelc317 wrote:

Well i have to disagree about the fans making her.I think Shania made herself,she was the one singing from the age of 8 and all the other hard work that i'm sure she put in before being famous.To think that because we as fans bought a cd or went to a concert that we own Shania and now have a right to tell Shania how to live her life or we made her is silly.Nobody put a gun to anyone's head to spend money on shania,I spend thousands of dollars at Stop & Shop and Walmart,does that give me a right to tell them how they should run their business?As far as the singers I mentioned above about preforming in their 40's and 50's that some how their ONLY country stars,how about Madonna,Diana Ross,Gloria Estefan,Janet Jackson,Cher all world wide stars all took long breaks from singing,and came back.

-- Edited by kelc317 on Monday 18th of May 2009 10:05:38 PM

I am with you on this Kelc317......we did not make her. No one makes anyone else....that is an absurd statement. We all have a right to our own lives and we all get to choose how we live that life. To suggest otherwise implies a lack of life experience. Once again another fan who treats her as an object and not a human being. It's all me me me...

I don't think expressing ones opinion about Shania's lack of follow through as selfish. Shania decided to be in a business where you are a public figure, a role model to some, an icon to others and other things. Marilyn Monroe was insightful enough to recognize that the people make the celebrities legends as the studios will make anyone famous. Whoever collaborated with Shania Twain on the vision for global success would've realized this vision with or without her. She happened to come at the right place at the right time and injected her dose of 'Shania' in order to stand out. If we as fans/consumers didn't buy into this cult of celebrity in the form of fan clubs, getting autographs, getting psyched about celebrity sightings, wanting to visit your favorite stars hangouts, dress like them and be like them, they'd be working singers who happen to be famous. The bad part is when the stars believe their own hype and abuse their power. In a way Ka-Ching talks about this rabid consumerism. While the song doesn't explicitly address fame, Shania and other celebrities contribute to the mass consumerism that has enriched them. How much $€£ would Shania be worth if not for the fans who spend hundreds and thousands on concerts, DVD's, fan club dues and merchandise, CD's and downloads and cable TV specials? Not nearly as much as the half billion that Shania is reportedly worth? If Shania was a studio and concert act with little fanfare, she'd be Jill Blow. When Shania came out on the scene she said she wanted to be as big as Garth Brooks. That's not humble and it comes with a responsibility as Garth knew because he has always been there for the fans. When he retired he at least let the public know that he was going back to OK and the paparazzi has left him alone and the fans understand. It's all in how you do things and say them.

Don't worry about the few who bash you here for your opinion.
I have been bashed and called a non fan simply because I don't kiss Shania's butt and I have the nerve to question her.
You are correct in most of what you say.
Shania has not treated her fans with respect for many years.
There are real people suffereing of diseases and real heartache and illness and they have no money.
Human decency is showing your fans respect and not running away from them and only returning when you want to sell perfume or music once every 5 years.
Human decency is what Reba and Dolly do as they respect their fans and show a connection with them.
There is too many excuses being made for a zillionare who couldn't care if we even existed.
Lets put our time into the less fortunated like poor children suffering or woman going through tough abusive relationships and no money and nobody to turn to.
What I say is rational as it gets.
Anyone who cares or worries about Shania's little problem more than the real people suffereing then they need a reality check.

Kevy thank you for your support. We still have freedom of speech in this country. We don't asked to be liked, agreed with, but respected. I agree with most of your opinions and I share the same passion you do for justice and the suffering of others. I was a volunteer for a number of years for people living with HIV and AIDS as well as homeless Hispanic men and I assisted in child literacy so I know suffering. I also have fought for civil rights. This is entertainment for me as I live a serious life. These are my opinions on one of my favorite entertainers. I get upset because Shania can do more and better. If Shania was Britney, Rihanna or Kelly Clarkson, I'd cut her slack. More than anything if Shania would've kept her mouth shut about having new music soon after her Up tour ended I'd be cool. She's made empty promises and neglected her fans. It doesn't take much effort to release your B sides if you lack new material, host a special, release a few bonus songs and/or make a guest appearance at your own Centre. It's all in how you do things. I feel mislead and would respect Shania more if she said that she is taking time off to be with Eja and Mutt. Her tour ended in 04 and it was shorter than her COO tour. After her tour concluded she stated that she won't be so long in between albums at the CMT awards. She clearly lied and never offered an apology for not coming through. People hold you to your word even if we live in a contract based society.

I agree with those comments.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

misskiwi wrote:

kelc317 wrote:

I thought after her 04 tour she said she was going to take a sabbatical, and never said anything about new music,i could be mistaken but im sure i read that somewhere.I also have to disagree when someone states "she clearly lied".If you don't know whats going on in her private life making a statement like that is just over the top.She is going threw a divorce and how are we to know how much that played in there being no new music.If their marriage had been having problems for the last couple of years im sure that could be a big reason.Releasing her b sides if she lacked new material, ok but what if she just didn't think it lived up to her standers,did you want her to just release a piece of garbage.As far as this nonsense about sick kids and stuff,of course there are worst things in the world then a rich person getting divorced.Its ridiculous to compare dying children and a divorce.If your so concerned about these sick children why would you care what one singer does or doesn't do with their life when there is so much other stuff going on in the world.

I thought that I made myself very clear Kelc. If you didn't understand what I said go ahead and reread what I said and if it doesn't sink in then look at it like a bottle of shampoo; lather, rinse and repeat. If you doubt what I said about the CMT Award statement look it up for yourself. Just like social issues aren't on my mind 24/7, I would presume that Shania Twain isn't in your head 24/7. It's called having a well rounded life and interests. Goodnight.

Well put, everthing is clearly documented with all her statements in the past.
And Shania is a big girl and if she wanted to clear things up with her fans then she knew what to do. She chose to fudge words and then say things that weren't true and then never even bothered to tell her fans anything when what she said didn't come true.
When you make as much money as Shania did off her fans and needed the fans for your living then you have a greater responsbility than most.
Shania chose to totally ignore her fans and even said back in 2000 she will never return or read any more mail she gets from fans because she would be too busy making music lol!!!
She hasn't made any new material in almost a decade and still has no contact with fans. Thank God there are great role models like REba and Dolly.
Just too bad there music isn't as good as Shania's.
I love Shania's music but she is not a role model or somebody I want my kids to be like.
I want my kids to be honest and show apprecation for how lucky they have it.

-- Edited by EveryBodyLovesKevy on Thursday 21st of May 2009 01:35:45 PM

Tonto · Guru

EveryBodyLovesKevy wrote:

misskiwi wrote:

kelc317 wrote:

I thought after her 04 tour she said she was going to take a sabbatical, and never said anything about new music,i could be mistaken but im sure i read that somewhere.I also have to disagree when someone states "she clearly lied".If you don't know whats going on in her private life making a statement like that is just over the top.She is going threw a divorce and how are we to know how much that played in there being no new music.If their marriage had been having problems for the last couple of years im sure that could be a big reason.Releasing her b sides if she lacked new material, ok but what if she just didn't think it lived up to her standers,did you want her to just release a piece of garbage.As far as this nonsense about sick kids and stuff,of course there are worst things in the world then a rich person getting divorced.Its ridiculous to compare dying children and a divorce.If your so concerned about these sick children why would you care what one singer does or doesn't do with their life when there is so much other stuff going on in the world.

I thought that I made myself very clear Kelc. If you didn't understand what I said go ahead and reread what I said and if it doesn't sink in then look at it like a bottle of shampoo; lather, rinse and repeat. If you doubt what I said about the CMT Award statement look it up for yourself. Just like social issues aren't on my mind 24/7, I would presume that Shania Twain isn't in your head 24/7. It's called having a well rounded life and interests. Goodnight.
Well put, everthing is clearly documented with all her statements in the past.
And Shania is a big girl and if she wanted to clear things up with her fans then she knew what to do. She chose to fudge words and then say things that weren't true and then never even bothered to tell her fans anything when what she said didn't come true.
When you make as much money as Shania did off her fans and needed the fans for your living then you have a greater responsbility than most.
Shania chose to totally ignore her fans and even said back in 2000 she will never return or read any more mail she gets from fans because she would be too busy making music lol!!!
She hasn't made any new material in almost a decade and still has no contact with fans. Thank God there are great role models like REba and Dolly.
Just too bad there music isn't as good as Shania's.
I love Shania's music but she is not a role model or somebody I want my kids to be like.
I want my kids to be honest and show apprecation for how lucky they have it.

-- Edited by EveryBodyLovesKevy on Thursday 21st of May 2009 01:35:45 PM

She's taking the time you are so busy demanding that she devote to us and raising her child and I do not think that is a bad thing. She wanted the chance to raise her own family without the worries and pressures that were put on her when she lost her parents and when she had to be a mother for her brothers and sisters also she had to help out when her mother was in bed wth her bouts of depression.

Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

Sorry Tonto this has nothing to do with your percieved thoughts of what Shania wants to do.
It is called honesty with your fans and not running away and hiding.
And please spare me that same old Shania victim act she has used with her fans for years.
She has it better off than 99% of people in the world and she should show more appreciation for the fans who gave her that status with their money.
It is called common decency of telling your fans upfront about your music plans.
And also spare me the garbage about her not knowing herself.it has been over 7 years of leading the fans on and shopping and travelling.
That is my opinion, sorry if it isn't yours.

And please stop twisting my words, I never said she should devote all her time to her fans lol!!!
But one project or throwing your fans a bone once in 8 years would be great lol!!
I have been a fan for over 14 years but I also call it as I see it. She does take advantage of the fans loyalty and plays the victim act in the press all the time.
I have sympathy with people with real problems and who are suffering with diseases.
I don't have any sympathy for a zilionare who is healthy and who has ignored her fans most of her career.
My dad lost his mother at age 10. So should my dad use that as an exuse for the rest of his life to be rude and not treat people well.
Sorry Tonto, but Shania is not someone to look up to. She is just a music artist whose music we love.

-- Edited by EveryBodyLovesKevy on Thursday 21st of May 2009 02:40:28 PM

STF1 · Senior Member

Kevy this is ridiculous, why do you keep bringing up this Shania versus sick people arguement? Shania had her fair share of hard times and that includes a year ago. She has never acted like she doesnt appreciate the good things in her life. Doesnt the fact she devotes so much time to her son show you she has her priorities right? Real life comes first, her fans understand this but you seem not to. You dont know her to say the things you do, and to call her a bad mother will always come back to haunt you because although you say you have never said anything cruel, you said the most cruel thing imaginable. You are very mixed up, one moment Shania is a bad role model for not prioritizing her fans, the next moment you say she is a bad mother. Not one person takes your points seriously because you are so mixed up and you constantly contradict yourself.

Sam · Senior Member

Shania is most definitely someone to look up to. Most people treat her like a human being and not a robot who is supposed to take her cue about life from what her fans want. This ownership over her life is really comical. She is like any other person in the world......free to go about her business as she sees fit. Did you ever think that maybe the derailment of her marriage was also the momentary derailment of her career......

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

I just love the excuses.Spend you time trying to help the sick children and poor people instead of some zillionare who is healthy and couldn't careless you exist.
Shania is probably laughing at you all now as she has a new lover and is shopping and travelling the world. She couldnt' careless you even exist or if you defend her blindly.
We have exhausted this topic many times over but I do find it quite funny at how people make Shania up to be some poor victim and how she plays in up in the media.
Many,many people have had much more problems in life and they don't go playing the victim their whole life and sitting around and taking 7 year vacations.
I think it is time to change the subject because we will never agree and many,many people believe my opinion too.
And I bet outside the 5 or 6 Shania clique members the general public would laugh at how you treat her not like a human being but like a God.

Have a great night everyone and great weekend.
Please don't continue this because you ain't changing my mind or the others who believe what I say is true.
So have a great weekend everyone and maybe help out and volunteer for some people who really need help and are suffering.
Shania is no victim, Eja is the victim, face reality people.

-- Edited by EveryBodyLovesKevy on Thursday 21st of May 2009 06:02:16 PM

kelc317 · Guru

Shania has released one statement about her divorce and you claim she plays the victim her whole life.She has handled the divorce with class and could have done a lot more if she wanted to play the victim like some other celbs.I have seen you wine time after time about how you are bashed and telling Tommy who should be banned.I sent you one pm and you start crying about being harassed ,it seems to me you claim to be the victim more than Shania.

-- Edited by kelc317 on Thursday 21st of May 2009 06:29:02 PM

STF1 · Senior Member

Dont make Shania feel bad for having a boyfriend, why shouldnt she? And we dont know for sure if he is her boyfriend. Kevy you seem to think Shania is yours and has no right to things ordinary people have a right to. I think this is your basic problem, you are obssessed with her and because you once bought her CD she now owes her life to you. Eja is not a victim, Shania is a great mother and you just have no right to say such things.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

STF1 wrote:

Dont make Shania feel bad for having a boyfriend, why shouldnt she? And we dont know for sure if he is her boyfriend. Kevy you seem to think Shania is yours and has no right to things ordinary people have a right to. I think this is your basic problem, you are obssessed with her and because you once bought her CD she now owes her life to you. Eja is not a victim, Shania is a great mother and you just have no right to say such things.

lol!!! It seems to me that you are the one totally obsessed with her. You don't even know her and she doesn't know you and yet you go out of your way to defend ever little thing said against her.
People judging from the outside of your delusional Shania clique would say you are the one obsessed and the one treating her like she can do no wrong and never be questioned.
How do you know how great a mother Shania is? You have no clue what she does in behind closed doors. I assume she is a good mother just like most mothers are.
But don't tell me Eja is no victim. You are so obsessed with Shania and making her out to be a God never to be questioned that you are now telling me that Eja is not a victim of the divorce.
Eja is the only victim of 2 parents who couldn't make it work. I don't know their lives nor do I care but Shana and Mutt are adults and Eja is the victim in the situation.
So before you call others obsessed for making opinions that don't agree with you take a good look in the mirror.You are so obsessed with telling me Shania is so perfect and can do no wrong and that I should never question her.
I said to drop this and move on but you are so obsessed with defending someone who doesn't care you exist.
Oh I forgot, you claimed a few months ago in your very first post here that you knew Mutt and Shania lol!! Then you backtracked when I pointed it out what you said.
Maybe you are part of her management and a lacky posting propoganda and how great she is and how she is such a victim.
I like her music but Shania has not been that nice a person lately to her fans and that is my opinion.
Deal with it and move on. And if you don't want me repeating it then don't keep responding to me.

Tommy · Guru

Actually if Mutt cheated on Shania she is a "victim" too. Now again, EVEYBODY drop the whole "who is the victim" argument.

STF1 · Senior Member

EveryBodyLovesKevy wrote:

STF1 wrote:

Dont make Shania feel bad for having a boyfriend, why shouldnt she? And we dont know for sure if he is her boyfriend. Kevy you seem to think Shania is yours and has no right to things ordinary people have a right to. I think this is your basic problem, you are obssessed with her and because you once bought her CD she now owes her life to you. Eja is not a victim, Shania is a great mother and you just have no right to say such things.

How do you know how great a mother Shania is? You have no clue what she does in behind closed doors. I assume she is a good mother just like most mothers are.

Oh I forgot, you claimed a few months ago in your very first post here that you knew Mutt and Shania lol!! Then you backtracked when I pointed it out what you said.

And how do you know she is a bad mother like you said?

Here is my first post in its entirety, show me where I say I know Mutt and Shania...

Hi Ive just joined after reading all this. Kevy I have no idea who you are or who you think you are, but you seem very sure of yourself and you also are incredibly rude to other people here. For your information you are WRONG about many, many things on this message board.

I dont know if you are a basher, a fan turned hater, a jealous guy, I really have no idea but you are very rude and have some kind of problem. If you dont like Shania or her fans then why are you spending so much time here? You need to grow up and do something positive with your life.

Sorry but it had to be said.

You actually know very little compared with what you seem to think you know, your theory is completely wrong, I wont say who I am but lets just say I know more than you. I dont think fans will believe what you say because of your attitude in any case.

There, that is one example of how you read things and twist them, either that or you seriously get the wrong idea when you read a post! Now as you seem to know so much, would you like to tell everyone how you know what you know? Do you know Mutt and Shania? Do you see behind closed doors? It seems that way when you are able to say she is a bad Mother! I would say she is a great mother, and with evidence, unlike your poor judgement, for example how she is protective of him and keeps him away from the spotlight, or how she puts him before her career. Have you even met Mutt and Shania? I doubt it, your ideas are clouded and your opinions are offensive to Shania, Mutt and other fans.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

If you even know how to read I said I assume she is a good mother like most mothers but I am not behind closed doors like you pretend to be.
You came on pretending and giving the impression you knew Shania and Mutt and knew their life.
I don't take anything you(STF1) say seriously. Yea you know more than me lol!!!
Then maybe my theory is right and you are a lacky from her management feeding the fans with propoganda.Anything the management,her label or anyone close to Shania says means nothing anyway since they have a motive to cover for her and not tell the truth. They also get paid by her to say what she wants.
I don't know the 100% truth but what I know and others agree too is that shania has ignored her fans for years telling them nothing and misleading them.
It is called honesty and that is all the fans want.

Have a nice day, I am done going in circles with you.

Now back on topic since this is a new album thread.
Does anyone think Shania will have a new album in the next 12 months even?

-- Edited by EveryBodyLovesKevy on Thursday 21st of May 2009 09:34:41 PM

-- Edited by EveryBodyLovesKevy on Thursday 21st of May 2009 09:38:57 PM

-- Edited by EveryBodyLovesKevy on Thursday 21st of May 2009 09:43:57 PM

STF1 · Senior Member

What? You were the one who took the thread in that direction!!!

You and everybody else here knows you said in another thread she was a bad mother, there is no getting away from it. I have no trouble reading thank you very much and unlucky for you ppl have memories of what they read when you posted...

So maybe you will let us in on how you know all this stuff, you are very confident in boldly parading around the Internet saying it all, so you must know Shania and Mutt very well...

kelc317 · Guru

STF1 wrote:

What? You were the one who took the thread in that direction!!!

You and everybody else here knows you said in another thread she was a bad mother, there is no getting away from it. I have no trouble reading thank you very much and unlucky for you ppl have memories of what they read when you posted...

So maybe you will let us in on how you know all this stuff, you are very confident in boldly parading around the Internet saying it all, so you must know Shania and Mutt very well...

Actually Kevy said that Shania cared more about her love life than she did her son.

STF1 · Senior Member

That is just as bad. But hey remember I am a male, I am in Shania's band and I am Hardy, and I am British, and as Kevy is never wrong so maybe I have an identity problem...

kelc317 · Guru

STF1 wrote:

That is just as bad. But hey remember I am a male, I am in Shania's band and I am Hardy, and I am British, and as Kevy is never wrong so maybe I have an identity problem...

Nah, its kevy even members on Bobs site are telling kevy he is very angry and needs to learn how to cope.

AikoujOi · Member

I want to add my two cents. I've read all the posts here and I think both sides have good valids points.

I assume Shania is a great mom to Eja and the breakup was hard for them no doubt about tha.

Shania has been gone for 7 years, part of me is thinking theres not gonna be any new music with the false rumers and all while another is saying "hope she comes out with new music soon, should be interesting. Who knows what really going with Shania, maybe she is insecure maybe she not. Misskiwi and Kevy have good points, would it kill Shania to take a minute to explain why she took 7 years off or whats really going on. I don't know about misleading or neglecting but she should be in touch with her fans more I'm not an obsessive Shania fan. I respect her privacy and such.

I don't know if it was in one of Misskiwi's post or not but would you mind explaning what exactly is she taking for granted? her fans? money? Just a litte confused is all.

-- Edited by AikoujOi on Friday 22nd of May 2009 12:37:42 AM

-- Edited by AikoujOi on Friday 22nd of May 2009 12:54:32 AM

Sam · Senior Member

I don't feel she neglected or mislead her fans. Her life changed drastically so she has to adapt to that. She did put out a statement to the fans last year. I doubt she had any idea at that time how much time she would need to deal with her divorce and new career path. From now on why don't we all just leave Eja out of all this negative talk. It is one thing to attack a women who is not here to defend herself but quite something else to pull in a child you have no knowledge on to add drama to your statements. I work with Big Brothers/Big Sisters and I have seen many cases of children of divorce. Whether you have money, or not, it is very difficult on the child even when they have parents who adore them.

Tonto · Guru

Hi,
Just want to point out a few things here. I am a member of Shania's Official fanclub and if she was not planning on having new music they would have closed down the fanclub as at the last I had heard there are less than a thousand members. They have not and also Shania is sending the fanclub autographed items to be given away in contests and the items are really cool so I do believe she will return. May not be as soon as we would like but Angie says she will be back and so does Shania's letter. I believe she has the right to take time off to raise her family and she was out in public with the launches of her perfumes a couple of years back. She doesn't like leaving her family for long periods of time as no one would. I respect that and so should everyone else. After all children grow up so fast and no one wants to miss out on that and Shania has worked hard enough in the past that she doesn't have to worry about financially not being able to do that like others who are struggling. That is her right and it is not making excuses as Shania does not need them or use them. Things in life happen and adjustments have to made. I would rather she ignore us then to ignore her own family. I am a fan because of this quality in her. She has not let all of it go to her head like lots of celebs do. She is trying to raise her son out of the Hollywood deal and that mentality to where excess is cool as this idea leads to destruction. She wants her son and her family to be as normal as possible and she deserves the right to protect her family as she sees fit. A lot of celebs kids grow up to be spoiled brats who only know how to spend their parent's money and pretend they are better than everyone else just because they are famous and have famous parents. Shania chose to seperate herself and her family from that atttitude and I for one respect her for that. She is working on new music as we speak and I do believe that will all my heart as she could never just walk away from it as this is her way of keeping her parents close to her. It was their dream for her and I am sure that everytime she sings a song she thinks of them and the love of the gift of music that they helped to instill in her. She will always be involved in music in some way whether we know it or not. She will write songs or produce for others or maybe even eventually have her own label who knows about the future for her but I cannot just see her sitting back and doing nothing once Eja leaves home. She will stay busy with something and I do think it will be music or maybe even writing creatively. She has a love of writing and music so I think eventully she may branch out with the writing but these are just my guesses and opinions but the new music and the fanclub deal are not guesses but certanties that I know will happen.
Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

peever · Senior Member

A little of this ... a little of that ...
Shania Twain is apparently at work on a new album, consulting with her old friend Canadian country singer Mary Bailey.

http://todaysbestcountry.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html#8824459954291971346

-- Edited by Tommy on Tuesday 26th of May 2009 09:37:21 PM

Tonto · Guru

If this is true then that must mean they are on good terms now after Shania fired her all those years ago to go with the new management team. Maybe what we read or were led to believe about there being a rift between them was all just a lie. Maybe the whole dump Mary thing was Mutt's idea and now Shania wants to go back to her roots. This would mean the new album will be something very different then what we have ever seen from Shania. How exciting. Can't wait. Do hope this is true. I know there will be new music but I hope it is true about her working with old friends. Sometimes it is good to come back home.
Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

chaosinc · Senior Member

Yall hold onto your pants,the album will be here!!

PurplePeopleEater · Guru

I am ready anytime.

KatieIsKevysNo1Fan · Senior Member

When though? when, when, when?

wow--just had daja vue! I've been here before!

twain2country · Guru

It's good to hear there are no hard feelings between her and Mary Bailey.

kelc317 · Guru

Hopefully their going to work together again.

PurplePeopleEater · Guru

I find it hard to believe they have much in common at this late date.

kelc317 · Guru

I thought Mary was like her agent or pr person,am i mistaken?

Tanya · Guru

kelc317 wrote:

I thought Mary was like her agent or pr person,am i mistaken?

She was her manager. She helped Shania to start her career. She arranged demo recording sessions for her, found the people who might have been interested in making music with her and so on. She was the person Shania could have

-- Edited by Tanya on Monday 1st of June 2009 06:08:07 PM

Sam · Senior Member

Mary did a lot for Shania in the early days. She got Shania to Nashville when she was still Eileen Twain before her parents died. Her mark on Shania's history is actually a rather big footprint as she is the person who initially opened doors for Shania.

PurplePeopleEater · Guru

She was Eilleen Twain.

kelc317 · Guru

How old is she, and is she still managing anybody?

PurplePeopleEater · Guru

Try Googling her or wiki.

Tonto · Guru

It is my understanding that Mary got Shania the job at Deerhurst and helped to keep Shania's dream of music alive after Shania had to become a parent to her younger siblings. I think Mary was a very good friend to her and was always there for Shania. I think Mary really helped Shania through some very difficult times. I'm sure it hurt both Mary and Shania when Shania had to go with different management as she was probably torn between being loyal to Mary who had done so much for her and to her career which she needed to take in a different direction one that Shania may have felt Mary couldn't handle in a way that someone else who had more experience in the business could. Mary was used to handling small acts and Shania's dreams were to be bigger and with Mary's help she acheived that and much more but it was a lot for one person to handle. But I do believe that Mary has always been there for Shania and I think she was a guest speaker at the Convention at the Shania Twain Center either last year or the year before. Mary had a vital role in Shania's career and life at one time. I guess sometimes it is true that we all come full circle. Just my thoughts on what I've heard and read.
Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

kelc317 · Guru

I tried finding out more about her but its a very common name,and all i could find out was about her and Shania.Nothing about anything else she has done,or if she is still working.

ShaniaRocks101 · Veteran Member

well i didnt fimnd her on facebook but im still checking.

kelc317 · Guru

Its a very common name,I come up with a lot of hits,just not her.