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Hey UP...Sorry I had to cut you short last night...Was on the run...As I said,last night I am totally cool with you being upset with me for my remarks..I have always respected you for your challenges on me...Always firm but without full attack mode and always well thought out..
Sitting her tonight I have had the chance to read todays back and forward between you and Joe....SORRY UP....I give the decision to Joe....I base this on the fact that you came after me(which is cool) and Joe with the same basis... You seem to be taking on this new approach on the site. It seems your position is  what Shania has not told us personally, we should not talk about....UPPP....HELLO...I just did a quick post history on your posts...WOW...Alot of opinions with little basis.
Maybe we should all stop posting unless Shania has told us or emailed us...AND..For sure...NO MORE TALKING about when a new CD that might happen because she didn't tell us....Sorry Up...Your theory will kill the site.
Up...I made a post just tonight in OPEN in which I addressed this kind of challanging post...I tried to point out to our newbies that if you can't handle this type of heated debate without going into FULL out attack mode,then they will have a problem on this site...I know you are mature and strong enough to take it AND dish it out...I wait your reply...Bob

Bob it's all good, no worries mate. Let's all just be happy Shania fans. Everyone reacts differently and takes a different approach, some people are more personable than others and opinions lean in many angles. No one is right or wrong. We are made of who we are and no one should feel guilty or ashamed. I myself will just keep on keeping on with the same feelings.

Hi Kelc,
that would be one of my posts,so here's the story:
shania had a relationship wiht john Kim Bell,he is a famous conductor,they were even living together,when shania's parents died she had to go back to Timmins to take care of the funeral and all that sad stuff,so John came with her, but then he had to go back to Toronto where they used to live and he called it quitts just a week or 2 after the death of shania's parents.
you can read the whole story in the shania's bio written by Robin Eggar,this info it's even in the movie about shania's life.
i hope that helps.

There's actually part of the robin eggar bio online
its written in super small print though so it was hard to read
anyway i just read it and learned tons of new stuff.
John Kim Bell was 34 and she was in her twenties.
They hid their relationship from her parents but when the truth came out
her parents were pissed. After her parents died she told John that she
was moving back to her hometown and he told her that things weren't working
out and stuff...She didn't cry but she got mad and he felt like she never forgave him
for breaking up with her after what she had been through.


hah i just learned this right now :]

Haven't read the bio, but thanks for the recommendation. Shania seems to have a thing for older men whereas Mutt prefers much younger women. I saw a picture of the conductor, he's also an ugly duckling.

Did she break off their engagement before she even met Mutt? I heard she was still with that guy and dumped him for the hermit. Mutt really had an influence over her.

-- Edited by twain2country at 14:34, 2008-06-19

GO TO: WWW.johnkimbell.com

Personally, I think it will take her a long time to get over Mutt, after all they were together for 14 years and she must still love him in spite of the fact he cheated on her in the end.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if she stays single, she doesn't need a man in her life, she's got her son Eja who's the "jewel in her crown".

Yes, what was John Kim Bell, 10-12 years older than Shania? She was just 20 when she got involved with him. And yes they were friends and later became a serious couple and she moved in with him which made her parents very upset. That part of Shania is very surprising to me when I learned it. Her parents had their tragic accident and Shania received that phone call while at his place. She went back to Timmins and well it seemed like the perfect moment for this guy who was a high class city type to break it off with his as he described, lumberjack swaying bush girl. (rolling eyes) Interesting though in a couple interviews I hear Shania describe him only as a friend, not boyfriend like almost trying to make it more innocent. I don't know...

Her boyfriend before Mutt came along was a fella named Paul, yes younger. He also followed Shania and moved in with her (yikes) when she went to Nashville, the problem with him was he couldn't find a job, but on top of that he was not confident enough in himself. He felt he was out of Shania's league and that she was on her way to the big time being a singer hired by a big name Nashville record label. He thought he would never keep her and in a foolish manner returned to Canada in pointless self pity. (I think the song, Don't Be Stupid, would fit him perfectly) Their relationship was heading sour right before Mutt made his first contact. There is also a line in the Robin book that states Mutt asking Bryan Adams after meeting Shania for the first time, is she really serious about this guy (Paul)? Seems Mutt was not happy she had someone but things were not so great anyways so he was at the right place at the right time. Too bad, as Shania is still friends with Paul's parents, they are very close actually, and it turns out Mutt and Kim Bell were jerks. Mutt probably was all about her looks now that I think about it. Sure music was a big part of their love connection but we know now how to look at that approach he took in 1993. I'm a little upset by the whole thing.

Chastity belt for men? Not in those days when they were in style, lol.

But it is horrible and disrespectful from any side to look for another and cheat. That is the worst conduct one can do to another. Shameful.

And i thought i knew almost everything about Shania.
I didn't actually read the whole biography but there's some pages of it online.
I had no idea that she had moved in with an older man earlier
...or that she had actually gotten engaged to Paul before Mutt
Ugh Paul was soo hot!
I also remember her saying that a "friend" was receiving the phone call
about her parents death in an interview. She probably wants nothing to do with the guy....Even thought John kim Bell had said in the biography that Shania never did admit to loving him.

Bob wrote:

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Hey UP...Sorry I had to cut you short last night...Was on the run...As I said,last night I am totally cool with you being upset with me for my remarks..I have always respected you for your challenges on me...Always firm but without full attack mode and always well thought out..
Sitting her tonight I have had the chance to read todays back and forward between you and Joe....SORRY UP....I give the decision to Joe....I base this on the fact that you came after me(which is cool) and Joe with the same basis... You seem to be taking on this new approach on the site. It seems your position is what Shania has not told us personally, we should not talk about....UPPP....HELLO...I just did a quick post history on your posts...WOW...Alot of opinions with little basis.
Maybe we should all stop posting unless Shania has told us or emailed us...AND..For sure...NO MORE TALKING about when a new CD that might happen because she didn't tell us....Sorry Up...Your theory will kill the site.
Up...I made a post just tonight in OPEN in which I addressed this kind of challanging post...I tried to point out to our newbies that if you can't handle this type of heated debate without going into FULL out attack mode,then they will have a problem on this site...I know you are mature and strong enough to take it AND dish it out...I wait your reply...Bob

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Bob, you completely misunderstood what I said.  I'm not against speculation.  Will Shania's next album be more country?  More pop?  I don't know, but that kind of thing is fun to talk about.  I've never said I was against that.

But, when fans start to speculate - in a very negative way - about Shania's mental health, I tend to think that this is crossing the line.  Overly negative armchair psychoanalysis from people who don't know the woman just seems like a big waste of time to me, with nothing good coming from it.

For example, when you wrote:  "Really try to picture the scene..A beautiful Shania in a beautiful Barbados resort by herself while others are having fun...SAD" this had no basis in reality.  How do you know she was alone?  How do you know she was sad?  Once again, how do you know she really was fragile?  The answer to all of these?  You DON'T know.  And portraying her as a fragile, mentally-ill wreck just seems disrespectful.  Is she going through a tough time because of the sepration?  Of course.  But now, especially now, is the time for fans to lift her up, not drag her down. 

Now don't get me wrong.  I'm not all about roses and rainbows.  I'm not shy at all about criticizing Shania where appropriate.  She's a human being who has plenty of faults.  I've spoken out against other online Shania forums, where you'll be banned if you dare to suggest that Shania is anything less than the greatest human being ever to walk the planet.  That type of unrealistic idol worship is ridiculous.  But, IMO, pretending that we know Shania's mental state, and pretending that WE know what is best for her, is every bit as silly.

So, once again, speculation is fine with me, but I just prefer more positive than negative speculation coming from fans, especially at this time.  I think we should all give the lady a break for now, and not dwell on the negative.  But this isn't my board, so you can say anything you want to say on here.  Unlike the other Shania boards, there's very little censorship here at Tommy's.  Which is a very GOOD thing! 

kelc317 wrote:

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yeh and with a close friend to that really has to suck,but she should look at it this way, in 11 years he will be 70 and she will be a young 53,and besides he never goes to any of those events shes at does he? i always she her alone in the photos,and what guy wouldn't want to be seen with her,my god shes a goddess,she must get hit on alot

-- Edited by kelc317 at 23:08, 2008-06-19

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Yeah it's pretty awful.

In one way you are right, Mutt will be way into his senior citizen years while Shania is still vibrant and going strong.  Shania is a goddess, lol, and any sane guy would be happy to be by her side and that was always the sad thing I felt...  Even when things sounded good and I respected their way of going about their business and thought they had a good understanding, it was still sad to know in al those years Mutt never once attended an award show or any event.  She had to go alone or with someone from record or management company or thankfully at least with her sister Carrie-Ann.  So many special moments and no husband to be there to hug her, kiss her, or whatever.  I feel for her and my heart goes out.

Yes, I heard Paul had a girlfriend or wife and kids.  Kim is just another one of those guys who can't settle down.  Shania needs to have better judgment, lol, so many potential fine choices exist.  Like I said, better not to focus on that stuff now anyway, she has her little man Eja.

 

Hey Joe - Don't forget about those of us that are a wee bit looney... 
We'd be happy to be seen on her side too.   

(Yep -- my undies are on right-side-forward tonight, hurray!)

-- Edited by landsharkk at 21:14, 2008-06-20

This was written awhile back by the team of Collins/Van Zant

"Ive seen it happen so many times, so many times before
Some man got so much money he doesnt worry no more
Or hes got such a pretty woman thatll treat him fine
Well my friend has been a fool
It happens everytime

Every mothers son better hear what I say
Every mothers son will rise and fall someday"





-- Edited by landsharkk at 21:31, 2008-06-20

Ok, so what do you think... you're Elvis or something?


-- Edited by landsharkk at 21:52, 2008-06-20

Okay, for all of you Shania fans who are on this site, I have got 10 words for you:

THERE WILL BE A NEW CD FROM SHANIA THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!


And everyone, just shut up about this stupid split between Shania and Mutt. Okay, so Shania's heart is broken and Mutt is a jerk, but hey, that happens to everyone. People can make mistakes in a marriage, sometimes they have to just let go. Besides, Shania will hit the recording studio soon with a new producer, and don't worry, before long there will be a new cd this year. I'm pretty sure next month she'll be back recording. Anyway, please be patient; Shania is getting older and needs to take life a little easier.