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Tonto · Guru

RE: Official Fan Club Personal Message From Shania

Sam · Senior Member

You are all verbalizing soemthing which has been on my mind since the split. I think so much of the music, even the funny hip tunes, come from a very personal place. It will likely be very difficult for her to perform this music.......in time it may become easier but initially I can imagine some of it will be gut wrenching. This break up involves so so much more then just cheating spouses.......

Tonto · Guru

Yes it does go beyond cheating spouses. If they truly were each other's inspirations to write then it will be difficult to write alone for Shania. Also remember that the new songs may be about what happened to end them so those will also be very difficult to sing and perform live. She will have to practice and sing them a lot before she will be ready to do them live once she even has them written. But from what I gathered from her letter she has not completed any of the songs as they seem to be in the idea stages. Can't tell for sure but the way she says "There is no telling how long it will take me to actually finish these songs and record them so they can get out to you." Unfortunately in my mind that could be in terms of over a year or more. She is such a perfectionist and with having a child to raise and worry about how he is adjusting to the divorce situation it could be longer. I think she should really just take her time and do what she needs to to make sure that she and Eja are OK. That is the best music for us all then go from there. I wish she wouldn't put so much pressure on herself to satisfy others and just focus on what is best for her and then everything else will fall into place. Just keep in touch with the fans so we know she is Ok and still around getting ready to return to us. Who knows maybe in her monthly blogs she will get ideas and inspirations from blogging with us and we can help out that way. Just my thoughts. biggrin

Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

kelc317 · Guru

I think if she does come back and perform in concert again she will have to perform the old songs.Even if she has new music fans are going to want to hear those old tunes.But remember we don't really know how these last few years in her marriage was.Could be they weren't all that great and if she finds someone else,.She could look back on the marriage and say i wish i had done this years ago.Then it may not be that hard to perform those old tunes.

Sam · Senior Member

Yes she definitely will need to continue with her old music because that is what the fans want, but it may be very difficult to do some songs........I would be very surprised to hear her sing Your Still the One........

Butters · Guru

From what I know of Shania (and I have been a fan from the start) she loved him completely and judging by this letter (the part about her crying and all the pain) she was blind sided and did not want this divorce.

Some fans want to act like it was mutual and she is happy that they split. But then music would have been released a long time ago if she indeed moved on.

He crushed her. Took the wind out of her sails as she said via the letter.

If things were bad for years then she would not be mentioning all the pain and crying.

There is NO way she would ever perform YSTO again. Never. That was THEIR song about their fairytale love story. The song about how we made it despite the odds and all the talk from people. They did not make it. She could never sing that song again.

Tonto · Guru

Butters wrote:

From what I know of Shania (and I have been a fan from the start) she loved him completely and judging by this letter (the part about her crying and all the pain) she was blind sided and did not want this divorce.

Some fans want to act like it was mutual and she is happy that they split. But then music would have been released a long time ago if she indeed moved on.

He crushed her. Took the wind out of her sails as she said via the letter.

If things were bad for years then she would not be mentioning all the pain and crying.

There is NO way she would ever perform YSTO again. Never. That was THEIR song about their fairytale love story. The song about how we made it despite the odds and all the talk from people. They did not make it. She could never sing that song again.

I thought I read somewhere that she wrote that song about her parents. But you are right I believe that she had no clue that Mutt was so unhappy. She has always said that she tends to be happy being alone a lot. Maybe she was going off alone too much at times and he got tired of it. Who knows maybe the next blogs will contain more info.
Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

Tommy · Guru

Tonto wrote:

Butters wrote:

From what I know of Shania (and I have been a fan from the start) she loved him completely and judging by this letter (the part about her crying and all the pain) she was blind sided and did not want this divorce.

Some fans want to act like it was mutual and she is happy that they split. But then music would have been released a long time ago if she indeed moved on.

He crushed her. Took the wind out of her sails as she said via the letter.

If things were bad for years then she would not be mentioning all the pain and crying.

There is NO way she would ever perform YSTO again. Never. That was THEIR song about their fairytale love story. The song about how we made it despite the odds and all the talk from people. They did not make it. She could never sing that song again.

I thought I read somewhere that she wrote that song about her parents. But you are right I believe that she had no clue that Mutt was so unhappy. She has always said that she tends to be happy being alone a lot. Maybe she was going off alone too much at times and he got tired of it. Who knows maybe the next blogs will contain more info.
Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

Shania wrote "From This Moment On" for her parents.

twain2country · Guru

FTMO almost didn't get recorded though. Shania had Celine in mind at the time, because this was a power ballad song and she felt it was out of her vocal ability.

Butters · Guru

Tonto wrote:

Butters wrote:

From what I know of Shania (and I have been a fan from the start) she loved him completely and judging by this letter (the part about her crying and all the pain) she was blind sided and did not want this divorce.

Some fans want to act like it was mutual and she is happy that they split. But then music would have been released a long time ago if she indeed moved on.

He crushed her. Took the wind out of her sails as she said via the letter.

If things were bad for years then she would not be mentioning all the pain and crying.

There is NO way she would ever perform YSTO again. Never. That was THEIR song about their fairytale love story. The song about how we made it despite the odds and all the talk from people. They did not make it. She could never sing that song again.

I thought I read somewhere that she wrote that song about her parents. But you are right I believe that she had no clue that Mutt was so unhappy. She has always said that she tends to be happy being alone a lot. Maybe she was going off alone too much at times and he got tired of it. Who knows maybe the next blogs will contain more info.
Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

Like Tommy mentioned, FTMO was written for her parents and YSTO was about her and Mutt, so I could never imagine her being able to sing that song in concert again.

Poor Shania, this changes every aspect of her life.

twain2country · Guru

Polar_Bear on the Shania Forums poste dthe following message:

Posted by Angie on the OFC:

I forwarded eveyone's comments from here and other's I've found on her MySpace page, Facebook, etc. onto Eilleen.

She just wrote back and said she has read each and every one personally and it really cheered her up! She feels lucky to have all of her fans in her life! She says it's a rare blessing

Tonto · Guru

Butters wrote:

Tonto wrote:

Butters wrote:

From what I know of Shania (and I have been a fan from the start) she loved him completely and judging by this letter (the part about her crying and all the pain) she was blind sided and did not want this divorce.

Some fans want to act like it was mutual and she is happy that they split. But then music would have been released a long time ago if she indeed moved on.

He crushed her. Took the wind out of her sails as she said via the letter.

If things were bad for years then she would not be mentioning all the pain and crying.

There is NO way she would ever perform YSTO again. Never. That was THEIR song about their fairytale love story. The song about how we made it despite the odds and all the talk from people. They did not make it. She could never sing that song again.

I thought I read somewhere that she wrote that song about her parents. But you are right I believe that she had no clue that Mutt was so unhappy. She has always said that she tends to be happy being alone a lot. Maybe she was going off alone too much at times and he got tired of it. Who knows maybe the next blogs will contain more info.
Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

Like Tommy mentioned, FTMO was written for her parents and YSTO was about her and Mutt, so I could never imagine her being able to sing that song in concert again.

Poor Shania, this changes every aspect of her life.

I think in time she will eventually heal enough and she will be able to perform this song as all songs become like old friends even though they may conjure up bittersweet memories. Yes it will be painful for a while but eventually it will happen.
Just my thoughts.
Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

Butters · Guru

Good thoughts. Let us hope so.

misskiwi · Veteran Member

I hadn't thought about the effect that performing the songs that she wrote with Mutt. That will prove more difficult than coming up with new material. I remember that when Gwen Stefani broke up with No Doubt bassist Tony Kanal she said that writing "Don't Speak" was healing as she had to still work with him despite their nasty breakup. She also wrote "Cool" ten years later reflecting on their friendship now that she's married to Bush frontman Gavin Rossdale. Time has a way of healing and lets hope that Shania and Mutt can work together again if things can be healed.

Butters · Guru

The problem with healing after a breakup is that the breakup had to be agreed upon and the relationship ended on decent terms and the reason why it ended was not some horrible reason. I know very few women (and men) who are on good speaking terms with an ex that cheated on them with their best friend.

Shania probably would never have anything to do with him again if it was not for her son.

Tommy · Guru

I Think Shania Twain’s Songs May Already Be Written

Posted: June 17th, 2009 at 4:12 pm | By: Alison Bonaguro

Artists are artists. And if they aren’t expressing themselves in song, they have to find other ways to do so. Earlier this week, Shania Twain chose to pour her heart out in a public letter to her fans. Its message? She’s using the pain of her marital troubles to write songs and is taking good care of her son. So her next album will be out sometime sort of soon. But like I said, she’s an artist. So this isn’t just some “music’s coming soon” blog post. It is over 1,000 words long, very heartfelt and has about 10 potential songs buried in it. Go read it and see if you see the song titles I see, like: “Music Has a Mind,” “Side-Tracked Slightly,” “Emotion Finds Its Way Out,” “I Only Cry When I’m Alone,” “I Don’t Hold Back” and one that could make for a very sexy comeback hit: “The Odd All-Nighter.”

http://blog.cmt.com/2009-06-17/i-think-shania-twains-songs-may-already-be-written/

kay1017us · Veteran Member

I sorta agree with Kevy here - looks like Shania is pulling the "vicitim card".

I'm really surprised that she mentioned such personal details about Eja. It was sort of weird that she would say a song would upset her. Doesn't the kid know his parents are divorcing/divorced?

I think we all need to remember there are two sides to every story. I'd really like to know the truth of what happened & Mutt's side, but it is Mutt/Shania's business.

Has she ever mentioned if they're actually divorced or are they still separated? I know Mutt mentioned something about a divorce, but I haven't been paying attention to what's going on lately.

I can still say that I am STUNNED & DISGUSTED by this whole situation.

kelc317 · Guru

I just don't see why people think she is playing the victim card.She has released two statements in a year and there was 0 leaks to the press and she is playing the victim?They handled this split with class and to me any way i think she was just talking about where she has been and where she is at now.

-- Edited by kelc317 on Wednesday 17th of June 2009 09:24:04 PM

Loonie Echo · Senior Member

Shania has never showed so much strength, she is hardly playing the victim card. She has to put her son's needs first...look how she had to pull it together when Eja caught her crying - she's amazing. She could be hiding and withdrawn. She's getting 'out there' and it is amazing that she has reached out to her fans in letter-form. Most artists with her track record and wealth would just hide away in one of their many mansions.
The Swiss Red Cross Ball was very lucky that she stepped forward and helped again this year - she had lots of reasons to say 'Not this year' - but she went, she danced, she fundraised! Way to Go Shania!
She is strong and beautiful. I love her songs so much, but if she chooses never to release new music, I'll respect that. I just want her to be happy, she deserves it after having her heart broken and her future plans tossed to the side. Go Shania Go!

twainee · Senior Member

I don't think Shania ever wanted or expected her marriage to end. There is a song that says shattered like a broken window pane, the pieces are lying all over the floor. That is what a divorce is like for all involved in it, regardless of fault. Each has to find a way to go on. No one knows if there were songs ready that she had done with Mutt, or if she has some but is unable to find strength to preform them yet, no one knows if she is like her mother and stays in bed, depressed when Eja goes to school. She is still beautiful, and talent does not disappear. I read where there are 21 million children in USA that are hungry every day. Maybe she can be inspired from being one of them in the past to write a song and donate it to food banks. I know she has always been generous in this way but maybe now an important cause not related to her own heartache will help not only her and others but also Eja. This world needs music to replace all of the hate. We all love you Shania and pray for you and your son.

Sam · Senior Member

I don't see the victim card being played. I see a woman who has gone through a life change and is trying to figure out how to pick herself up and continue with her career, but also be the mom that Eja deserves. The fans have been extremely hard on her for being away for so long. Mutt had a tremedous amount of control on her career........maybe he is the reason she has had no album for some time now..... There are a lot of scenerios that could be played out here and who knows where the truth lies..... At the end of it all she is a single mom with an international career in entertainment and has to satisfy a lot of people........THAT"S A LOT OF PRESSURE......for anyone.....

twain2country · Guru

Shania has a steel rod up her back and I think she's holding up well considering everything she's been through. She was with Mutt for a long time and being able to put the past behind her is understably difficult as music was the basis of their relationship and how they got together.

twain2country · Guru

So when do you think we'll get the next fan club message since Angie said that Shania's graciously agreed to do a monthly blog/letter?

Tanya · Guru

If it's true the next letter should appear soon. The first appeared on the 12th of June so the second I think will be written around the same date in July.

xxsarahnade · Senior Member

I think someone who could contact Shania should suggest twitter, that would be a good way of her keepin in contact w her fans alsooo, just sayin

Tanya · Guru

I'm sad most people have to pay only for her blog when many artists do it in a way all their fans can read it. If her fan club offered something more I would join but not in this case.

Tonto · Guru

Tanya wrote:

I'm sad most people have to pay only for her blog when many artists do it in a way all their fans can read it. If her fan club offered something more I would join but not in this case.

The fan club does offer something more. Almost every month there is new contest to win something that Shania has signed and we have great discussions there and the people are great there. No one disses Shania for being Shania. People don't complain over there like they do here. Also there is the stoer where you can buy Shania stuff. Don't have to be a member to do that though. I think it is very much worth the money even if Shania hadn't promised to send us a letter each month.
I think it is an honor to say you are a member of her official fan club. I think it proves just who is willing to go the extra mile as a fan. Just my opinion.

Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

Tonto · Guru

xxsarahnade wrote:

I think someone who could contact Shania should suggest twitter, that would be a good way of her keepin in contact w her fans alsooo, just sayin

I may be wrong but I think Shania values her privacy too much to do this and as she is not on tour with new music and is not "working" right now wouldn't consider it. Maybe when she is on tour she and back at "work" she might would do it. I think she seperates her work and personal life and has clear lines on what she considers to be work related and personal. She feels safe and secure doing it that way. Twittering would mean mixing the two and she may not want to do that. Just my opinion.
Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

Tanya · Guru

If she does a blog in OFC then she could have done the same with twitter. Blog already means that she will have to mix her work and her personal life - she did it in this message, too.

And I am not interested in OFC because I don't live in North America. I live in Europe and as I understand those contests are for USA and Canadian residents only and the fan club kits which they send once a year are often lost and not everybody receives them. So the price is too high for me to pay for nothing.

-- Edited by Tanya on Saturday 4th of July 2009 01:28:16 AM

twain2country · Guru

Shania wouldn't use something like Twitter, she just prefers to blog through her label's site.

Tanya · Guru

I'd appreciate anything but her fan club because her letters won't be accessible for everybody this way.

twain2country · Guru

Tanya wrote:

I'd appreciate anything but her fan club because her letters won't be accessible for everybody this way.

That's a valid point, especially when it comes to the video blogs. Those who aren't in her fan club, would obviously want to view them.

twain2country · Guru

No new message is forthcoming so that could be an indication, she's seriously hard at work finishing the lyrics for her album, or that she's off on her travels again to another exotic destination.

misskiwi · Veteran Member

I think there's too much hearsay going on in this post Shania split that frankly I find boring already. While I'm sympathetic to Shania's personal problems, it's been almost 18 months since the divorce. Next page. I notice that whoever wrote thart Shania was going to blog for the month of June was off. I won't say that Shania lied because she didn't say anything officially. But I'm not here as often as I used to so maybe I missed something.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

twain2country wrote:

No new message is forthcoming so that could be an indication, she's seriously hard at work finishing the lyrics for her album, or that she's off on her travels again to another exotic destination.

she can't even keep that promise?Working hard at finishing an album? lol!!! Yea right and I am the pope. It is time you people not believe anything she says anymore.
Did Shania tell you that she has no new message or are you guessing and making it up.
Wow isn't that great., Shania is travelling so that is why she won't have a new message this month lol!!!
I can't believe you guys believe anything she says anymore.

-- Edited by EveryBodyLovesKevy on Thursday 16th of July 2009 06:32:37 PM

peever · Senior Member

i agree with you kevy I dont believe a word from shania anymore, and its not to be negative obviously she was mutts puppet because as soon as they split she dissapears and doesnt do a single other thing, except appear at a few awards ceremony, what a shame. she has the power to do more for her career but no she chooses to ignore everyone.

misskiwi · Veteran Member

peever wrote:

i agree with you kevy I dont believe a word from shania anymore, and its not to be negative obviously she was mutts puppet because as soon as they split she dissapears and doesnt do a single other thing, except appear at a few awards ceremony, what a shame. she has the power to do more for her career but no she chooses to ignore everyone.

Well I started taking her words with a grain of salt a few years ago before the die hard fans caught on. I think that if she chose to become Mutt's puppet then she really isn't a puppet. She and Mutt saw their relationship as mutually beneficial as he earned 3 Diamond Awards and sold over 70 million records during their time married. So who used who?

I always felt that Shania is a natural talent, but she lacked a certain something to make it happen until Mutt came along. I'm sure that she knows it. Not being an easily pliable singer in the studio is a big hurdle to overcome and frankly most singers that don't produce well make it. Shania has a great voice and is attractive, but without Mutt, things are more difficult. Her first album was pleasant but dull. In order to be commercially viable you have to be able to work with anyone and leave your imprint. Think about singers like Martina McBride or Carrie Underwood. They don't have the pizazz Shania has, but they can work with any producer and make it happen. Martina does coproduce her material, but she does work with others.

I read the Robin Eggar biography and I think that the problem lies in Shania wanting to be no. 1 always. Her voice's too good for pop or anything overproduced, but that wouldn't pay the bills. Her voice needs to stay with the acoustic, jazz, traditional country and some forms of rock and roll. She wasted her voice on material that didn't exploit her potential just to make a quick buck. There you have it. She got what she wanted.

PurplePeopleEater · Guru

I think you make a lot of assumptions and are pretty much off the mark but what do I really know.

Most of us here read the bio you refer to and frankly I think some of the stuff he dredged up probably didn't need the dredging, but again what do I really know.

I do agree without her mate she would not have hit the levels she hit.

And without him she will not get there again.

The question really is what does she want now.

I guess if you want to continually criticize what she is doing nowadays and for the past few years you have every right to do so.

But frankly I could think of much more productive things for you do with your Internet lives.

The fact this message board exists still, as do several others devoted to her, indicates to me she is sorely missed from the music scene, and some of her avid fans still daily vent their frustration with the delay in new music from her. Some also continue to express their love and admiration for her music and for her in a more personal (if not realistic) manner.

I have been a fan of hers since the beginning (1993) and I as well as the other fans here and elsewhere continue their normal daily lives with or without her being active in a public way.

If you really can't take her lifestyle over the past few years, and at present, I suggest you get involved more in your own daily lives, and let her continue along her journey in life.

There is so much music available from her, and thousands of other wonderful artists, from the past and the present, and we should all enjoy what we have.

Tommy lets us express ourselves in ways some other sites will not allow. I think that is swell.

Tommy - with his disabilities - is really one of the best true Shania fans I have encountered on the Internet - and while I may not agree with everything he does or says - he has my utter respect and admiration for being fair and open-minded with his website.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

Thats why it is called expressing your views.
This is just a message board and not real life and doesn't have a real impact on our life one way or another but it is a place to vent and state our opinion. One or 2 minutes a day expressing an opinion on an artists you have followed doesn't take much of the day. Most of our days are filled with doing work and charity and other stuff that has nothing to do with Shania.

And you are right purplepeopleeater, Tommy is one of the great and true Shania fans.Shania doesn't deserve fans like him.
And I hardly think judging by a few people posting on messages boards tells you how much she is missed. Only .0001 percent of the buying public even post on message boards and those are the diehard fans like us and even some of the .0001 don't believe what Shania says anymore.

I guess we are all free to state our opinion on Shania's attitude and honesty towards the loyal fans who gave her the lifestyle she enjoys.

Butters · Guru

I always strongly dislike (and laugh at) the people or "fans" who claim that if you take the 4 minutes to discuss Shania in not a glowing light, that you have no life and all you do is sit around and insult her. It is pretty easy to log onto a computer and post something and then go enjoy your day. It can be done.

With that said, I think that Shania is very talented, but also VERY lucky. Lucky she found Mutt and he poured millions upon millions of dollars into her career. No other artist gets that HUGE advantage. Lucky that she is gorgeous and she is VERY willing to use it to her advantage. Lucky that she had Mutts help in the studio to help her voice sound better. She has a good voice, but Mutts magic takes it to another level.

She is talented and she is an amazing performer, but she has had amazing luck and help with her career that other artists could only dream about.

PurplePeopleEater · Guru

I think your choice of words leaves a lot to desire but that is JMHO.

Sam · Senior Member

I think MUTT was the lucky one. Shania benefited for sure in the relationship, but people are too quick to say she would have been nothing without him. She had one mediocre album under her belt before MUTT which is not an indicator that she would not have had future successes on her own, or with a different producer. She needed someone who would let her explore her own way of doing things.....she got this with MUTT. The man definitely knows talent.......However, where would he have been for the past several years without her to make his millions?? Maybe he would have found another talented artist to work with, or maybe not.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

I disagree 100% Sam.
Mutt is a genius and everything he touches turns to gold.
Mutt can find anyone and make the album pure majic.
Of course Shania has talent but Mutt is a genius and well known for taking artists to new levels.
Shania is the lucky one. Mutt has had huge success without her but she hasn't had any success without him.
shania should thank her lucky stars she had the best producer in music to work with.
Mutt track record has been proven since the early 80's
Mutt was worth over half a billion before he even met Shania.
The guys is one of the most genius people in music history.
Facts are facts and Mutt makes people stars.
Not only did Mutt use his great talent to put the music together but he always financially backed TWIM album and used his own money.
Mutt didn't need Shania, he was a very rich person who everyone wanted to work with.

-- Edited by EveryBodyLovesKevy on Friday 17th of July 2009 01:40:28 PM

-- Edited by EveryBodyLovesKevy on Friday 17th of July 2009 01:44:12 PM

Sam · Senior Member

Do some homework on Mutt Lange before you make absolute statements about him. YES, he is a music genius but he had his share of misses before he made it too. Not everything he has done has been a big hit.....its called learning your craft. People's talents grow as their experiences in life become more broad, and their ability to meet and work with talented people is more accessible. Shania only had one album before Mutt and this drew him..... one of the biggest producers in the business... to her. This in itself is very telling....the man knows talent.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

YOu are missing the big point. The bottom line is Mutt never needed Shania, he was hugely rich and everyone wanted to work with him. So yes Shania was very lucky to work with him and find him. And I think Mutt was drawn by her beauty at first when he saw her on video.
Of course Shania has talent or I wouldn't be a fan but Mutt Lange is a true genius who Shania is so luck to have found and who took Shania to places she never dreamed of.
Mutt can make majic in a studio with any artist.
He has worked with every genre and had massive hits in all many genres and is a true musical genius.
So the point is that Mutt had millions and millions coming in long before Shania but Shania was a nobody and had very little money till she met Mutt.
I love Shania and will always love her voice but without Mutt it won't be the same to me.
Shania should thank her lucky stars Mutt came into her life.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

Since the split Mutt has made a very successful album for Nickelback with huge hits and great sales and now is working with Maroon 5 which is sure to be another huge smash.
What has Shania done except ask her fans to feel sorry for her and play the victim making Mutt to be a bad guy. The same guy who made her dreams come true.

-- Edited by EveryBodyLovesKevy on Friday 17th of July 2009 02:12:10 PM

Sam · Senior Member

Kevy there really is no point in continuing to discuss this with you. You turn everything into a battle if people don't agree with your opinions.

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

Not really Sam, there is no battle. Just 2 people having different opinions and discussing it on a message board.
Thanks for the debate anyway and I see we agree on some stuff and not on others, that is okay.

PurplePeopleEater · Guru

EveryBodyLovesKevy wrote:

YOu are missing the big point. The bottom line is Mutt never needed Shania, he was hugely rich and everyone wanted to work with him. So yes Shania was very lucky to work with him and find him. And I think Mutt was drawn by her beauty at first when he saw her on video.
Of course Shania has talent or I wouldn't be a fan but Mutt Lange is a true genius who Shania is so luck to have found and who took Shania to places she never dreamed of.
Mutt can make majic in a studio with any artist.
He has worked with every genre and had massive hits in all many genres and is a true musical genius.
So the point is that Mutt had millions and millions coming in long before Shania but Shania was a nobody and had very little money till she met Mutt.
I love Shania and will always love her voice but without Mutt it won't be the same to me.
Shania should thank her lucky stars Mutt came into her life.

Mutt is just like Phil Spector as far as his musical genius but like Phil is a wee bit mad, just not in the same vein as Phil.

He is beyond weird in his lifestyle and his search for perfection.

He is not an easy person to live with - what is he now - a 3 or 4 time loser in the marriage arena?

He lusted after Shania from his first glance at her What Made You Say That - telling his buds he was going to marry that chick.

A funny way to begin a relationship and marriage.

I guess "shallow" is probably an apt description of his emotional health, eh?

I guess Shania was overwhelmed by him and never realized what kind of person he really is.

She jumped into the relationship and marriage without knowing who she really was hooking up with.

Tommy · Guru

All good points PPE!