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twain2country · Guru

Shania to guest judge on American Idol! - NEW DATES: Aug. 31 & Sep. 1

Butters · Guru

Again, this is one of those stories that could be true and it equally could not be true. Everyone has a nice side and everyone has a b*tchy side. I was laughing though how on some sites they think tht this reporter is the most evil man in the world because of what he wrote about Shania. lol Perhaps she was avoiding them and making demands. Nobody will know the truth.

PurplePeopleEater · Guru

I believe entertainment reporters are in the same category as papparrazzi, so I think whatever he says needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Butters · Guru

There are some fair and honest entertainment reporters and some that are just like the paps; one has to be careful not to cast an entire sect of people into black and white categories.

-- Edited by Butters on Wednesday 2nd of September 2009 07:33:07 PM

Tanya · Guru

If you see we only have two pics from there taken by fans so it seems to be true.

kelc317 · Guru

What one reported says isn't going to make a difference,they have been wrong on things before.If AI producers say Shania was a bitch then thats not going to look good for her.

kelc317 · Guru

Tanya wrote:

If you see we only have two pics from there taken by fans so it seems to be true.

i don't think AI will want to hype anything right now,if they took photos and stuff they will wait to they get ready to start the new season,thats when they want to promote their show.

Tanya · Guru

The season is not started yet but you can find Victoria Beckham's photos from Idol auditions. I am sure you can find other judges' pics, too. Of course, they may appear later but the fact we only have two pics by now and this article make me think... If it’s true then I am surprised because Shania has always been a friendly star without those diva habits. She could have not do interviews but she could have allowed the photos as she did on CMAs. I’m confused. Especially because she looks great (that’s why I personally don’t see reasons for hiding) and friendly on those two photos.

PurplePeopleEater · Guru

kelc317 wrote:

Tanya wrote:

If you see we only have two pics from there taken by fans so it seems to be true.

i don't think AI will want to hype anything right now,if they took photos and stuff they will wait to they get ready to start the new season,thats when they want to promote their show.

Those involved with the show have a Non-Disclosure Agreement thus they do not want any premature publicity until the build up to the new season in January.

PurplePeopleEater · Guru

kelc317 wrote:

What one reported says isn't going to make a difference,they have been wrong on things before.If AI producers say Shania was a bitch then thats not going to look good for her.

An entertainment reporter is lower than a paparrazzi, for my money.

PurplePeopleEater · Guru

Butters wrote:

There are some fair and honest entertainment reporters and some that are just like the paps; one has to be careful not to cast an entire sect of people into black and white categories.

-- Edited by Butters on Wednesday 2nd of September 2009 07:33:07 PM

An honest one in Chicago?

kelc317 · Guru

Tanya wrote:

The season is not started yet but you can find Victoria Beckham's photos from Idol auditions. I am sure you can find other judges' pics, too. Of course, they may appear later but the fact we only have two pics by now and this article make me think... If it’s true then I am surprised because Shania has always been a friendly star without those diva habits. She could have not do interviews but she could have allowed the photos as she did on CMAs. I’m confused. Especially because she looks great (that’s why I personally don’t see reasons for hiding) and friendly on those two photos.

Victoria Beckham never saw a camera she didn't like,She's always in the gossip columns in the USA,she's a very good self promoter.I didn't see the pictures,but has anyone that has been a guest judge on AI have their photos been released?I think Doogy Howser has done his stint on AI.

-- Edited by kelc317 on Wednesday 2nd of September 2009 08:57:57 PM

Tonto · Guru

Tanya wrote:

The season is not started yet but you can find Victoria Beckham's photos from Idol auditions. I am sure you can find other judges' pics, too. Of course, they may appear later but the fact we only have two pics by now and this article make me think... If it’s true then I am surprised because Shania has always been a friendly star without those diva habits. She could have not do interviews but she could have allowed the photos as she did on CMAs. I’m confused. Especially because she looks great (that’s why I personally don’t see reasons for hiding) and friendly on those two photos.

Everyone has bad days. Maybe Shania was having one or maybe she's just not ready to be grilled about the past or the future just yet. Maybe she feels her fans already know what they need to know by way of the beautiful and gracious video that she sent and the eloquent letter. She knows she has already been over this with the people who count and feels she doesn't need to keep rehashing it. I doubt she was bitchy unless she and Fred have had a falling out and then it could be understood and we all know certain times of the month all women get bitchy so I say we cut her some slack and keep the faith and believe that she is still the same adorable, sweet gracious and classy lady that we have all grown to love even more over the past few years.

Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

fixit · Veteran Member

Well said Tonto!!

Butters · Guru

PurplePeopleEater wrote:

Butters wrote:

There are some fair and honest entertainment reporters and some that are just like the paps; one has to be careful not to cast an entire sect of people into black and white categories.

-- Edited by Butters on Wednesday 2nd of September 2009 07:33:07 PM

An honest one in Chicago?

There are honest ones and not-so honest ones in ever city ;)

Butters · Guru

Tonto wrote:

Tanya wrote:

The season is not started yet but you can find Victoria Beckham's photos from Idol auditions. I am sure you can find other judges' pics, too. Of course, they may appear later but the fact we only have two pics by now and this article make me think... If it’s true then I am surprised because Shania has always been a friendly star without those diva habits. She could have not do interviews but she could have allowed the photos as she did on CMAs. I’m confused. Especially because she looks great (that’s why I personally don’t see reasons for hiding) and friendly on those two photos.

Everyone has bad days. Maybe Shania was having one or maybe she's just not ready to be grilled about the past or the future just yet. Maybe she feels her fans already know what they need to know by way of the beautiful and gracious video that she sent and the eloquent letter. She knows she has already been over this with the people who count and feels she doesn't need to keep rehashing it. I doubt she was bitchy unless she and Fred have had a falling out and then it could be understood and we all know certain times of the month all women get bitchy so I say we cut her some slack and keep the faith and believe that she is still the same adorable, sweet gracious and classy lady that we have all grown to love even more over the past few years.

Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

I agree, but she is going to have to learn to deal with it by the time press times comes around for her new album. She is a smart lady; she has to realize the divorce and her subsequent dating of Fred is going to bring in TONS of questions and she will have to answer some of them.

Tonto · Guru

Butters wrote:

Tonto wrote:

Tanya wrote:

The season is not started yet but you can find Victoria Beckham's photos from Idol auditions. I am sure you can find other judges' pics, too. Of course, they may appear later but the fact we only have two pics by now and this article make me think... If it’s true then I am surprised because Shania has always been a friendly star without those diva habits. She could have not do interviews but she could have allowed the photos as she did on CMAs. I’m confused. Especially because she looks great (that’s why I personally don’t see reasons for hiding) and friendly on those two photos.

Everyone has bad days. Maybe Shania was having one or maybe she's just not ready to be grilled about the past or the future just yet. Maybe she feels her fans already know what they need to know by way of the beautiful and gracious video that she sent and the eloquent letter. She knows she has already been over this with the people who count and feels she doesn't need to keep rehashing it. I doubt she was bitchy unless she and Fred have had a falling out and then it could be understood and we all know certain times of the month all women get bitchy so I say we cut her some slack and keep the faith and believe that she is still the same adorable, sweet gracious and classy lady that we have all grown to love even more over the past few years.

Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

I agree, but she is going to have to learn to deal with it by the time press times comes around for her new album. She is a smart lady; she has to realize the divorce and her subsequent dating of Fred is going to bring in TONS of questions and she will have to answer some of them.

Just wondering if anyone else has thought of this or noticed it but I did. Fred really seems over the moon about Shania. He wrote he loved her in the snow. Shania has not publicly said that she loves him although he has made his feelings about her pretty clear. Maybe she is not as certain of how she feels about him or she is just hiding how she really feels. If she is not certain then it is understandable why she is not ready to answer such direct questions. She also said in her letter that she does not worry about tomorrow as it may never come. So maybe she is afraid to pin herself down on her exact feelings as feelings change over time and publicly admitting to things has a way of leaving people looking like they lied when really they didn't know how they felt to begin with. If she leaves questions unanswered with no evidence then no one can say she lied or was dishonest or led anyone on. Very smart and tactful on her part. In other words she is making sure her assets are covered so to speak. If it works it works and it's great if it doesn't then the media frenzy over it all was not her making and she did not feed it or lead it in the wrong direction. keep them guessing and always leave them wanting more. This is Shania.
Just my thoughts.

Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

Butters · Guru

I think that she is crazy, head over heels nuts about him. And yes, that is just going by this video and some photos, but I think that Shania (good or bad) falls pretty quickly. And we have to remember that she has known him for some time before the "incident". So she probably cared about him on a friends level at least (maybe she was always attracted to him) he is pretty easy on the eyes. And yes, it is smart not to reveal how she feels about him. I think she is afraid and scared (after what happened with Mutt) to talk to the media again. I think she is really wanting to put it off. What does she answer if they do indeed talk about the "love" question? Her face will give her away.

I still think that it is way too soon for her to be in a serious relationship; after everything that she has been through. But I think that Shania is the type the needs to be with a man to feel good. I think that she should not date for at least a year; but instead she is faced with Fred writing love messages in the snow ;) Too much too soon and she is probably confused.

Tonto · Guru

Butters wrote:

I think that she is crazy, head over heels nuts about him. And yes, that is just going by this video and some photos, but I think that Shania (good or bad) falls pretty quickly. And we have to remember that she has known him for some time before the "incident". So she probably cared about him on a friends level at least (maybe she was always attracted to him) he is pretty easy on the eyes. And yes, it is smart not to reveal how she feels about him. I think she is afraid and scared (after what happened with Mutt) to talk to the media again. I think she is really wanting to put it off. What does she answer if they do indeed talk about the "love" question? Her face will give her away.

I still think that it is way too soon for her to be in a serious relationship; after everything that she has been through. But I think that Shania is the type the needs to be with a man to feel good. I think that she should not date for at least a year; but instead she is faced with Fred writing love messages in the snow ;) Too much too soon and she is probably confused.

I think she loves him as friend and is trying to figure out if it can be made into more. I think she is still unsure of how she feels. Did you read the US weekly article? Fred was the one who persued her according to the article. And by the way she acts with him in the video she is not as into him as he is into her. She does seem to be taking it slow at least. The article also says that she is still not divorced as there is a billion dollars involved and says it will take years to settle and finalize which means she can't marry anytime soon which is a good thing. I agree she still needs time. We don't know what she has been through. It said in the article that she and Mutt would go weeks without outside contact with other people. She has said this before but always gave the impression that she was fine with it. Apparently not. But who knows. Hopefully she will be happy to take things slow and not push too much too fast. She does seem happy. I think time will be the deciding factor.
Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

twain2country · Guru

Onlooker Christian Scalise said that Fred arrived at the hotel 40 mins after Twain and bolted to the ballroom to see her. So he obviously accompanied Shania on her trip to Chicago, he seems inseparable and is almost frightened to leave her for any given length of time.

-- Edited by twain2country on Saturday 5th of September 2009 06:04:50 PM

Tonto · Guru

twain2country wrote:

Onlooker Christian Scalise said that Fred arrived at the hotel 40 mins after Twain and bolted to the ballroom to see her. So he obviously accompanied Shania on her trip to Chicago, he seems inseparable and is almost frightened to leave her for any given length of time.

-- Edited by twain2country on Saturday 5th of September 2009 06:04:50 PM

Maybe he is insecure at it seems in a couple of the articles I read that he is persuing her. He seems more into her then she does into him in the video. Also said in the articles that her friends are pushing them together also. I think she was happy with a just friends relationship and then everyone started forcing the issue so she caved and decided to give it a try. Just my observations based on the gossip I've read. Also in the video you never hear her say she loves him. And she has not said she loves him publicly either. I think she is in self protection mode and she needs to be so soon after what happened with her marriage. She is afraid of commitment and rightly so at this point. If she was miserable in her marriage to Mutt for a while before the trouble then she won't want to be too serious too fast as she may begin to feel smothered or trapped. She may even be feeling like she was forced into a relattionship she didn't want to be in. Who knows, maybe it was too easy all the way around to be with Fred. Easy for the kids, easy for her and convienant. Will she be happy for long if she is settling for what's easy and convienant? Only time will tell. Personally I don't think so but I could be wrong. If she thinks it's best for Eja she could sacrifice her own happiness for him.. I could definitely see that but it would be another mistake. Just my thoughts.
Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

twain2country · Guru

Tonto wrote:

Maybe he is insecure at it seems in a couple of the articles I read that he is persuing her. He seems more into her then she does into him in the video. Also said in the articles that her friends are pushing them together also. I think she was happy with a just friends relationship and then everyone started forcing the issue so she caved and decided to give it a try. Just my observations based on the gossip I've read. Also in the video you never hear her say she loves him. And she has not said she loves him publicly either. I think she is in self protection mode and she needs to be so soon after what happened with her marriage. She is afraid of commitment and rightly so at this point. If she was miserable in her marriage to Mutt for a while before the trouble then she won't want to be too serious too fast as she may begin to feel smothered or trapped. She may even be feeling like she was forced into a relattionship she didn't want to be in. Who knows, maybe it was too easy all the way around to be with Fred. Easy for the kids, easy for her and convienant. Will she be happy for long if she is settling for what's easy and convienant? Only time will tell. Personally I don't think so but I could be wrong. If she thinks it's best for Eja she could sacrifice her own happiness for him.. I could definitely see that but it would be another mistake. Just my thoughts.
Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

I also get the impression he is more into her than what she is into him and I don't think it's a good idea for her family or friends to be pushing them together, because at the end of her day it's her life and only she should be deciding if she wants to take their friendship to the next level. There's also Eja to consider as anything that happens is going to affect him.

barebackwarrior · Senior Member

At first when I saw the fan video I thought it was cool because I got to see new footage of Shania Twain. I was smitten by the whole thing and felt that it was cute. I enjoyed watching her interest in the native cultures in her travels. Her and Fred seem like a good match and the kids appear happy.

As time goes on and the ink dries off, I think that Shania's made a big mistake releasing this tape flaunting her relationship with Fred. I think about myself at Eja's age and wouldn't be pleased if my mom was releasing tapes of her with a man who may be my stepdad if things continue like this. I'd be embarrased by what the kids at school are going to start saying. I'd also have questions every time that I see my dad about him and Anne Marie and mom and Fred. This is going to screw the poor kid up for sure and no amount of money can fix that.

I think that Shania's desire for revenge and to eradicate anything that she did with Mutt is making her act out in a negative way. In my eyes Shania is trashing the image that made her famous by revealing so much about herself and seeming almost desperate in her bid to stick it to Mutt. She's trashing herself in the process. People will also notice this with time. As evidence Shania now has the lowliest of tabloids following her life, something which rarely occured when she was with Mutt. The guy may have cheated on her and be a privacy nut, but no one's perfect. That's the price that she paid in order to become the megastar that she is today.

If Shania and Mutt didn't have kids then I'd say hooray for her, but everything changes with children in the middle.

One curious question/observation biggrin

: Who is paying for all of these trips? I sure hope that Fred's job pays enough for them or else Shania may be his sugar momma and she get her kicks out of being with a younger man.

-- Edited by barebackwarrior on Sunday 6th of September 2009 08:47:47 PM

kelc317 · Guru

I just can't say their in love because of the video.Having fun and traveling, Shania said herself its helping her get over the end of her marriage.In general i would never recommend marring the person from the rebound relationship.The revenge factor has crossed my mind and it could very well be a lot to do with these 2.I have known other women that after finding out their husband or boyfriend cheat they slept with their friends,i know one woman that slept with half the guys on his softball team,now thats revenge.One thing that struck me as odd and i don't know if it really means much but Fred wrote the word love in the snow, in English.Isn't his first language french,i just thought that to be odd.

Tonto · Guru

barebackwarrior wrote:

At first when I saw the fan video I thought it was cool because I got to see new footage of Shania Twain. I was smitten by the whole thing and felt that it was cute. I enjoyed watching her interest in the native cultures in her travels. Her and Fred seem like a good match and the kids appear happy.

As time goes on and the ink dries off, I think that Shania's made a big mistake releasing this tape flaunting her relationship with Fred. I think about myself at Eja's age and wouldn't be pleased if my mom was releasing tapes of her with a man who may be my stepdad if things continue like this. I'd be embarrased by what the kids at school are going to start saying. I'd also have questions every time that I see my dad about him and Anne Marie and mom and Fred. This is going to screw the poor kid up for sure and no amount of money can fix that.

I think that Shania's desire for revenge and to eradicate anything that she did with Mutt is making her act out in a negative way. In my eyes Shania is trashing the image that made her famous by revealing so much about herself and seeming almost desperate in her bid to stick it to Mutt. She's trashing herself in the process. People will also notice this with time. As evidence Shania now has the lowliest of tabloids following her life, something which rarely occured when she was with Mutt. The guy may have cheated on her and be a privacy nut, but no one's perfect. That's the price that she paid in order to become the megastar that she is today.

If Shania and Mutt didn't have kids then I'd say hooray for her, but everything changes with children in the middle.

One curious question/observation : Who is paying for all of these trips? I sure hope that Fred's job pays enough for them or else Shania may be his sugar momma and she get her kicks out of being with a younger man.

-- Edited by barebackwarrior on Sunday 6th of September 2009 08:47:47 PM

I honestly do not think she is doing this out of revenge. I think that she and Mutt were so isolated from the rest of the world that Fred was the closest option. She had no other close male friends that she trusted and that was a limit in itself. Maybe Fred took advantage of a weak moment. OR maybe he really does care for her. Maybe she feels this is an easy and convienant solution to a very complex problem. Maybe in time things will work out differently but I do not think she would do this out of revenge. I think she is very much still hurting and confused as to where to go from here. I think she is taking things slow and the fact that she herself has not come out and said that she loves him or that she has not referred to him as anything more than
just a dear friend and true gentleman and also a constant companion is a sign that she is not rushing into anything. I would think that it would be a good while before she would contemplate marriage. I think also that the kids were close anyway as Marie and Shania were best friends so I'd think they were like brother and sister anyway. The only thing that could mess that up would be if things don't work out between Shania and Fred or Mutt and Marie Ann and they all go their seperate ways.
Mutt and Shania will always be bonded through Eja forever anyway no matter what happens in their own personal lives. Mutt doesn't keep people around very long anyway. He kept Shania around the longest so that has to say something about their relationship. Also Shania is reluctant to mention Mutt at all so that speaks volumes to me about there still being many unresolved issues with him. Until these issues with her past are resolved she can't go on to any kind of relationship with a future. She still has lots of issues to work through. Just my thoughts.

Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

barebackwarrior · Senior Member

kelc317 wrote:

I just can't say their in love because of the video.Having fun and traveling, Shania said herself its helping her get over the end of her marriage.In general i would never recommend marring the person from the rebound relationship.The revenge factor has crossed my mind and it could very well be a lot to do with these 2.I have known other women that after finding out their husband or boyfriend cheat they slept with their friends,i know one woman that slept with half the guys on his softball team,now thats revenge.One thing that struck me as odd and i don't know if it really means much but Fred wrote the word love in the snow, in English.Isn't his first language french,i just thought that to be odd.

Wow that's a trip. True life is stranger than fiction. LOL. English is the common language and even if Fred's French, he has to know some basic English.

barebackwarrior · Senior Member

Tonto wrote:

barebackwarrior wrote:

At first when I saw the fan video I thought it was cool because I got to see new footage of Shania Twain. I was smitten by the whole thing and felt that it was cute. I enjoyed watching her interest in the native cultures in her travels. Her and Fred seem like a good match and the kids appear happy.

As time goes on and the ink dries off, I think that Shania's made a big mistake releasing this tape flaunting her relationship with Fred. I think about myself at Eja's age and wouldn't be pleased if my mom was releasing tapes of her with a man who may be my stepdad if things continue like this. I'd be embarrased by what the kids at school are going to start saying. I'd also have questions every time that I see my dad about him and Anne Marie and mom and Fred. This is going to screw the poor kid up for sure and no amount of money can fix that.

I think that Shania's desire for revenge and to eradicate anything that she did with Mutt is making her act out in a negative way. In my eyes Shania is trashing the image that made her famous by revealing so much about herself and seeming almost desperate in her bid to stick it to Mutt. She's trashing herself in the process. People will also notice this with time. As evidence Shania now has the lowliest of tabloids following her life, something which rarely occured when she was with Mutt. The guy may have cheated on her and be a privacy nut, but no one's perfect. That's the price that she paid in order to become the megastar that she is today.

If Shania and Mutt didn't have kids then I'd say hooray for her, but everything changes with children in the middle.

One curious question/observation : Who is paying for all of these trips? I sure hope that Fred's job pays enough for them or else Shania may be his sugar momma and she get her kicks out of being with a younger man.

-- Edited by barebackwarrior on Sunday 6th of September 2009 08:47:47 PM

I honestly do not think she is doing this out of revenge. I think that she and Mutt were so isolated from the rest of the world that Fred was the closest option. She had no other close male friends that she trusted and that was a limit in itself. Maybe Fred took advantage of a weak moment. OR maybe he really does care for her. Maybe she feels this is an easy and convienant solution to a very complex problem. Maybe in time things will work out differently but I do not think she would do this out of revenge. I think she is very much still hurting and confused as to where to go from here. I think she is taking things slow and the fact that she herself has not come out and said that she loves him or that she has not referred to him as anything more than
just a dear friend and true gentleman and also a constant companion is a sign that she is not rushing into anything. I would think that it would be a good while before she would contemplate marriage. I think also that the kids were close anyway as Marie and Shania were best friends so I'd think they were like brother and sister anyway. The only thing that could mess that up would be if things don't work out between Shania and Fred or Mutt and Marie Ann and they all go their seperate ways.
Mutt and Shania will always be bonded through Eja forever anyway no matter what happens in their own personal lives. Mutt doesn't keep people around very long anyway. He kept Shania around the longest so that has to say something about their relationship. Also Shania is reluctant to mention Mutt at all so that speaks volumes to me about there still being many unresolved issues with him. Until these issues with her past are resolved she can't go on to any kind of relationship with a future. She still has lots of issues to work through. Just my thoughts.

Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

I do understand that Shania's putting on the strong face given that she is a public figure. I'm just concerned that in the future that video may bite her in the butt if she and Fred break up and she shares that same type of interaction with another man. This guy better be a keeper.

My mother would always tell me actions speak louder than words. Shania might be saying with her mouth that this man is a dear friend and gentleman, but her actions are saying this man is her new common law husband. No self respecting woman would allow a 'dear friend' to have such a strong presence in their child's life unless it's woman that happens to be Shania's best friend.

Divorce is a hard thing to go through and it makes people act in strange ways. At least she is having a good time at it and vacation her heartache away. Most of us can't do that even if they have some money stashed. Traveling becomes expensive real quick and there are onlly so many vacation days that your job gives you. She's privileged to to what she's doing.

Maybe Shania's not talking about Mutt because they're still married and anything that she says against him could be used against her. She strikes me as the type who would speak out about him even if she doesn't use mean words in public for the sake of Eja.

I suspect that this divorce is the end to her fairytale life of record breaking success among other things. I'm sure that she'll still be successful from now and on, but I think it would take an act of God to make another Come On Over. It seems like Shania's life's been all about really high moments and really down moments.

PurplePeopleEater · Guru

This is starting to sound like Dear Abby.

Tonto · Guru

barebackwarrior wrote:

Tonto wrote:

barebackwarrior wrote:

At first when I saw the fan video I thought it was cool because I got to see new footage of Shania Twain. I was smitten by the whole thing and felt that it was cute. I enjoyed watching her interest in the native cultures in her travels. Her and Fred seem like a good match and the kids appear happy.

As time goes on and the ink dries off, I think that Shania's made a big mistake releasing this tape flaunting her relationship with Fred. I think about myself at Eja's age and wouldn't be pleased if my mom was releasing tapes of her with a man who may be my stepdad if things continue like this. I'd be embarrased by what the kids at school are going to start saying. I'd also have questions every time that I see my dad about him and Anne Marie and mom and Fred. This is going to screw the poor kid up for sure and no amount of money can fix that.

I think that Shania's desire for revenge and to eradicate anything that she did with Mutt is making her act out in a negative way. In my eyes Shania is trashing the image that made her famous by revealing so much about herself and seeming almost desperate in her bid to stick it to Mutt. She's trashing herself in the process. People will also notice this with time. As evidence Shania now has the lowliest of tabloids following her life, something which rarely occured when she was with Mutt. The guy may have cheated on her and be a privacy nut, but no one's perfect. That's the price that she paid in order to become the megastar that she is today.

If Shania and Mutt didn't have kids then I'd say hooray for her, but everything changes with children in the middle.

One curious question/observation : Who is paying for all of these trips? I sure hope that Fred's job pays enough for them or else Shania may be his sugar momma and she get her kicks out of being with a younger man.

-- Edited by barebackwarrior on Sunday 6th of September 2009 08:47:47 PM

I honestly do not think she is doing this out of revenge. I think that she and Mutt were so isolated from the rest of the world that Fred was the closest option. She had no other close male friends that she trusted and that was a limit in itself. Maybe Fred took advantage of a weak moment. OR maybe he really does care for her. Maybe she feels this is an easy and convienant solution to a very complex problem. Maybe in time things will work out differently but I do not think she would do this out of revenge. I think she is very much still hurting and confused as to where to go from here. I think she is taking things slow and the fact that she herself has not come out and said that she loves him or that she has not referred to him as anything more than
just a dear friend and true gentleman and also a constant companion is a sign that she is not rushing into anything. I would think that it would be a good while before she would contemplate marriage. I think also that the kids were close anyway as Marie and Shania were best friends so I'd think they were like brother and sister anyway. The only thing that could mess that up would be if things don't work out between Shania and Fred or Mutt and Marie Ann and they all go their seperate ways.
Mutt and Shania will always be bonded through Eja forever anyway no matter what happens in their own personal lives. Mutt doesn't keep people around very long anyway. He kept Shania around the longest so that has to say something about their relationship. Also Shania is reluctant to mention Mutt at all so that speaks volumes to me about there still being many unresolved issues with him. Until these issues with her past are resolved she can't go on to any kind of relationship with a future. She still has lots of issues to work through. Just my thoughts.

Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

I do understand that Shania's putting on the strong face given that she is a public figure. I'm just concerned that in the future that video may bite her in the butt if she and Fred break up and she shares that same type of interaction with another man. This guy better be a keeper.

My mother would always tell me actions speak louder than words. Shania might be saying with her mouth that this man is a dear friend and gentleman, but her actions are saying this man is her new common law husband. No self respecting woman would allow a 'dear friend' to have such a strong presence in their child's life unless it's woman that happens to be Shania's best friend.

Divorce is a hard thing to go through and it makes people act in strange ways. At least she is having a good time at it and vacation her heartache away. Most of us can't do that even if they have some money stashed. Traveling becomes expensive real quick and there are onlly so many vacation days that your job gives you. She's privileged to to what she's doing.

Maybe Shania's not talking about Mutt because they're still married and anything that she says against him could be used against her. She strikes me as the type who would speak out about him even if she doesn't use mean words in public for the sake of Eja.

I suspect that this divorce is the end to her fairytale life of record breaking success among other things. I'm sure that she'll still be successful from now and on, but I think it would take an act of God to make another Come On Over. It seems like Shania's life's been all about really high moments and really down moments.

I think Shania knows what she is doing. Her and Fred were friends and they all took vacations toghether before the divorces so Eja and Johanna were raised like brother and sister anyway. I don't think Shania wanted to totally upset Eja's world by having him lose both his father and his friend Fredric at the same time. Besides there was no reason for Fred not to remain a part of his life. What happened between Mutt and Marie Ann was not Shania's, Fred's, Eja's or Johanna's faults. I am thinking that even if things do not work out between Shania and Fred romantically that she will always want him as a friend as I read somewhere that there relationship until after the divorce was a brother/sister type relationship. Suggesting that all parties were close before the tragedy happened. If she was worried about speaking out about the divorce in legal terms that would not matter as Mutt is doing the same thing she is now so what she does with Fred should have little or no bearing on that at all. I think her main concern in this has been the children and how they are handling things. She is apparently not just worried about Eja but also Johanna. They were all good friends and took vacations together for years before all this so Fredric's presence is not unusual. Maybe him being there with them for days at a time is a little different but I am sure Shania has explained all this to Eja and Johanna. He is and was first her dear friend. It is possible for people who try to turn friendships into a love relationship and then breakup at some point to still remain close friends as that was the basis of the relationship to start with. Just my opinion and trying to look at it with an equal perspective as it is difficult for divorced women with children to date and not get a bad reputation for it just becasuse they can't find the one they are looking for without looking at more than one option. Not the same for guys. Totally different ball game there. Think about it. Just my thoughts...

Warmest regards as always,
Tonto

Tommy · Guru

Ellen DeGeneres???

'American Idol' bulletin: Ellen DeGeneres will be fourth judge

Paula who?

Ellen DeGeneres will join "American Idol" as the show's fourth judge, Fox announced tonight.

How will she get along with Simon Cowell? That's going to be something to see.

DeGeneres will replace Paula Abdul, who left the show when she and Fox couldn't agree on money.

"I'm thrilled to be the new judge on 'American Idol,' " DeGeneres said in a statement released by Fox. "I've watched since the beginning, and I've always been a huge fan. So getting this job is a dream come true, and think of all the money I'll save from not having to text in my vote."

What will the addition of the popular DeGeneres mean to the show? You tell us.

I think she will bring the show a lot of good will. She should offer the kind words that were Abdul's hallmark, and there's a bonus: DeGeneres should be more coherent. The new season starts in January.

DeGeneres will join the show after guest judges have helped in the audition process. You'll see Victoria Beckham, Mary J. Blige, Kristin Chenoweth, Joe Jonas, Neil Patrick Harris, Avril Lavigne, Katy Perry and Shania Twain.

After the auditions, DeGeneres will join the panel of Cowell, Randy Jackson and Kara DioGuardi.

"Idol" creator and executive producer Simon Fuller said in a release that he "could not be more excited to have Ellen" join the show. "Ellen has been a fan of the show for many years, and her love of music and understanding of the American public will bring a unique human touch to our judging panel," he said. "I can't wait for this next season to begin."

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/09/american-idol-bulletin-ellen-degeneres-will-be-fourth-judge.html

twain2country · Guru

http://blogs.usatoday.com/entertainm...dol-judge.html

Ellen DeGeneres named new 'American Idol' judge

Yes, you read that headline correctly. This isn't a joke. Fox sent out a press release and Ellen DeGeneres will announce it on her Thursday show. Here's what she said during the taping today:

" I have a big announcement to make. No one knows this. I just finally got the ok ... just moments ago to announce this to you today...I am going to be the new judge on American Idol . ... I I'm not leaving here. Don't worry about that. I'm going to have a day job and a night job."

She added, "We've been dealing with this for the last couple of weeks and I've been dying to tell everyone. It's just been so hard to keep it a secret and we just finally got the ok and I'm so excited. ... I don't know how it happened myself, but I have not missed one episode of that show. I've watched every single thing."

What does she know about music? She loves it. But, she also says, "Hopefully I'm the people's point of view because I'm just like you. I sit at home and I watch it and I don't have that technical ... I'm not looking at it in a critical way from the producer's mind. I'm looking at it as a person who is going to buy the music and is going to relate to that person. So I'm hopefully going to be that voice of what we're all doing at home."

Ellen will be on throughout the entire season, joining the judges’ panel after the auditions, which feature guest judgesVictoria Beckham, Mary J. Blige, Kristin Chenoweth, Joe Jonas, Neil Patrick Harris, Avril Lavigne, Katy Perry and Shania Twain. Idol's ninth season premieres January 2010.

Butters · Guru

I LOVE Ellen! She is soooo funny! She is going to be a perfect AI judge. I might have to start watching AI now! lol

kelc317 · Guru

At first i thought it was weird because she has no musical background.After listening to her talk about her just being one of those people that just buy the music and has no expertise i like the idea.She is very funny and it will be interesting to see her and Simon.I hope she isn't tone deaf like me,i have to admit i have heard some people sing and thought they were good just to have all 3 or 4 judges shoot them down.

-- Edited by kelc317 on Friday 11th of September 2009 05:42:17 PM

PurplePeopleEater · Guru

kelc317 wrote:

At first i thought it was weird because she has no musical background.After listening to her talk about her just being one of those people that just buy the music and has no expertise i like the idea.She is very funny and it will be interesting to see her and Simon.I hope she isn't tone deaf like me,i have to admit i have heard some people sing and thought they were good just to have all 3 or 4 judges shoot them down.

-- Edited by kelc317 on Friday 11th of September 2009 05:42:17 PM

If you like their music and sound that is what counts. Not what some dumb critic or a judge thinks.

kelc317 · Guru

Yeh but the judges are hearing something im not, and you want the judges to be fair to these kids.

PurplePeopleEater · Guru

kelc317 wrote:

Yeh but the judges are hearing something im not, and you want the judges to be fair to these kids.

You buy music because of what judges and critics say???? Or because you like what you hear???

twain2country · Guru

Fox focus groups to find Paula Abdul's audience value

Fox is launching focus groups to find out departed American Idol judge Paula Abdul's audience value, according to an exclusive report by radaronline. Abdul announced her shock departure from the show after being unable to reach a salary deal with television executives. She was said to be seeking $20 million for the show's ninth season. Executives have since scrambled to find a string of stars, including Katy Perry, Shania Twain, Joe Jonas and Victoria Beckham, to take up guest spots. A television source said: "Fox loves focus groups. If Paula consistently scores far higher than any other person in her chair, they will feel compelled to make her an offer she can’t refuse and make this deal happen." Another well-placed source said: "There will be four judges at American Idol come January. And that fourth judge will be Paula Abdul."

http://www.3am.co.uk/fox-focus-groups-to-find-paula-abduls-audience-value/17177/

-- Edited by twain2country on Friday 25th of September 2009 11:10:55 AM

twain2country · Guru

Found this on google, haven't seen this one before.

-- Edited by Tommy on Sunday 27th of September 2009 09:11:13 PM

Tommy · Guru

Cool! Can't wait to see it on TV.

twain2country · Guru

"X Factor" key in Simon Cowell's deal with Fox

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - "The X Factor," a music talent show on British television, may be coming to the U.S. via Fox and a deal with the show's creator, "American Idol" judge Simon Cowell.

Cowell, in the final year of his contract on "Idol," had been open about his desire to bring his mega-hit British format to the U.S., something he couldn't do under his existing "Idol" pact.

Now Fox and Cowell are said to be hammering out a deal to launch an American version of "X Factor" -- while locking in Cowell as an "Idol" judge for two more years, through the 2011-12 season.

The deal has not been finalized, and major points are being negotiated, but it is rumored that Cowell could earn about $50 million a season for "Idol" and that a successful "X Factor" might bring him an additional $50 million a cycle.

It has not been determined whether Cowell, who would executive produce "X Factor" for Fox, also would appear as a judge. Other rumored celebrity candidates for the judges' panel are former "Idol" co-star Paula Abdul and two judges on the British "X Factor," pop star Cheryl Cole and talent manager Louis Walsh.

All parties involved in the negotiations declined comment.

(Editing by SheriLinden at Reuters)

http://www.reuters.com/article/telev...58N0OV20090924

twain2country · Guru

Tommy wrote:

Cool! Can't wait to see it on TV.

It will be on ITV2 over here, hopefully by the Spring, if not before.

twain2country · Guru

American Idol - Season Nine

Tuesdays and Wednesdays - January, 2010

Updated: Friday, 23 Oct 2009, 11:27 AM EDT
Published : Friday, 23 Oct 2009, 11:27 AM EDT

LOS ANGELES, California - AMERICAN IDOL returns for its much-anticipated ninth season in January 2010.

Hosted by Ryan Seacrest, television’s No. 1 hit series empowers contestants and viewers to share their voices in deciding who will be America’s next singing superstar. This new season promises to deliver amazing, undiscovered talent with plenty of surprises along the way.

Every year, tens of thousands of hopefuls from across the nation audition for a shot at stardom.

The show’s judges – Simon Cowell, Randy Jackson and Kara DioGuardi – travel across the country in search of the next American Idol. They winnow down the competitors to a select group of semifinalists who sing their hearts out each week in front of a studio audience and television viewers.

This season, joined by rotating guest judges including Victoria Beckham, Mary J. Blige, Joe Jonas, Neil Patrick Harris, Shania Twain and Kristin Chenoweth, the AMERICAN IDOL judges visited Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Los Angeles and Orlando in their quest to find performers worthy of the “Golden Ticket” to Hollywood.

The judges have their say after every performance, but it’s the viewing public that determines who will advance to the next round of competition and who will go home. Voting via telephone and text-messaging begins immediately after each performance show, and the results are announced during the following night’s broadcast.

Eventually the competition is narrowed down to two finalists who compete for a major recording contract and the AMERICAN IDOL title.

Past winners Kelly Clarkson, Ruben Studdard, Fantasia Barrino, Carrie Underwood, Taylor Hicks, Jordin Sparks, David Cook and Kris Allen have become household names and have made their mark on the recording industry.

Emmy Award-winning AMERICAN IDOL is created and executive-produced by Simon Fuller, founder of 19 Entertainment Ltd. The series is executive-produced by Cecile Frot-Coutaz, CEO, FremantleMedia North America; and Ken Warwick, Executive Producer, FremantleMedia North America. Bruce Gowers serves as director.

AMERICAN IDOL: Tuesdays 8p.m. - 10p.m. and Wednesdays 9p.m. - 10p.m. on FOX Toledo

http://www.foxtoledo.com/dpp/entertainment/wupw_entertainment_american_idol_season_nine_2010_10232009ds

Tommy · Guru

We'll probably have to wait until the season starts to find out the air dates of the Chicago auditions with Shania. That would be great if it is one of the first two nights.

Fox announces January return dates for ‘American Idol’ and ‘24,’ plus ‘Simpsons’ anniversary

By Frazier Moore, AP

NEW YORK — Fox network is unveiling big plans for January.

They include bringing back “American Idol” with a two-night season premiere Jan. 12 and 13.

Then the network starts the clock ticking for a new season of its suspense drama “24″ with a two-night, four-hour event airing Jan. 17 and 18.

Before all that, Fox honors “The Simpsons” on Jan. 10.

The night starts with the 450th episode of the animated series. Bart and his pal Milhouse try to kelp kids’ show host Krusty the Clown regain his popularity after network executives force him to hire a female sidekick. That episode will be followed by a one-hour retrospective documentary, “The Simpsons 20th Anniversary Special.”

http://blog.taragana.com/e/2009/11/24/fox-announces-january-return-dates-for-american-idol-and-24-plus-simpsons-anniversary-64152/

Tommy · Guru

American Idol Season 9 Premieres on January 12, 2010

December 09, 2009 by

Hartley Engel

The ninth season of "American Idol" premieres on January 12, 2010 on Fox. As most Idol fans already know, Paula Abdul will not be returning as a judge. Abdul, who had been with Idol since the shows inception back in 2002, unexpectedly left the show earlier in the year and was replaced

by talk show host-comedienne Ellen DeGeneres. Thus, DeGeneres, who signed a five-year contract and will continue to host her popular daytime talk show, joins Simon Cowell, Randy Jackson and Kara DioGuardi as the hugely popular reality competition's new fourth judge.

Ellen DeGeneres did not judge the first rounds of auditions in the summer, however, because she had not yet been named as Paula Abdul's replacement. Celebrity guest judges were used during this stage of the audition process, and they include Kristin Chenowith, Victoria Beckham, Mary J. Blige, Neil Patrick Harris, Joe Jonas, Avril Levine, Katy Perry and Shania Twain. Consequently, Ellen DeGeneres will begin her judging duties next month during Hollywood Week. This portion of the show features 200 contestants who passed the summer auditions - and is known for being particularly demanding on the Idol hopefuls.

The filming of Hollywood Week was pushed back (it's typically filmed in November) to January due to scheduling conflicts with Idol's most hard-to-please judge, Simon Cowell; thus, Hollywood Week will air in February.

As a devoted fan, I am very much looking forward to season 9 of "American Idol." It will be interesting and fun to see how the aforementioned guest judges interact with and evaluate the contestants. I'm also looking forward to welcoming Ellen DeGeneres as Idol's newest judge; I'm a big fan and I think Ellen will be both funny (obviously) and compassionate.

Of course, most of all, I'm looking forward to seeing all the new Idol hopefuls (including the ones who can't sing but think they can - think William Hung - and the ones who can't sing but are pleasant to look at - think "Bikini Girl") and the grueling, forbidding process they have to go through to get a shot at being the next American Idol.

Will season 9 of American Idol produce a contestant as talented and controversial as Adam Lambert? It's doubtful, but you never know.

As mentioned above, season 9 of American Idol premieres on January 12.

Source:
American Idol Web Site

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2474610/american_idol_season_9_premieres_on.html?cat=2

Tommy · Guru

Commercial airing on FOX that shows Shania for a split second. She is on the left side of a triple-split screen of guest judges.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdnQ181lX4A

Angie posted these caps on the OFC:

twain2country · Guru

RE: Shania to guest judge on American Idol! - Commercial p. 5

Tommy · Guru

'American Idol': Which guest judge do you want to see?

By Rick Porter
December 14, 2009 4:18 PM

We know that new "American Idol" judge Ellen DeGeneres will be joining the show for its Hollywood round, which tapes in January. But before then, viewers will get to see a parade of guest judges for the audition rounds.

The eight guests -- Victoria Beckham, Mary J. Blige, Kristin Chenoweth, Neil Patrick Harris, Joe Jonas, Avril Lavigne, Katy Perry and Shania Twain -- sat in with judges Simon Cowell, Kara DioGuardi and Randy Jackson during the show's open calls, which will kick off the season Jan. 12. Their presence got us wondering: Would any of them make you more inclined to watch the often-excruciating first shows?

Purely on television terms, we can envision both Beckham and Harris mixing it up with auditioners, and it's not hard to imagine Chenoweth taking issue, Paula Abdul-style, with some of Cowell's harsher comments. What do you think? Are the guest judges a reason to tune in?

Which 'American Idol' guest judge do you most want to see?

Victoria Beckham
Mary J. Blige
Kristin Chenoweth
Neil Patrick Harris
Joe Jonas
Avril Lavigne
Katy Perry
Shania Twain

Vote

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2009/12/american-idol-which-guest-judge-do-you-want-to-see.html

twain2country · Guru

Four hour 'Idol' premiere!

Article By: TVSA

If you're a fan of 'American Idol' there's plenty to look forward to when the ninth season premieres in January, not least of which a four-hour premiere!

Season 9 premieres in the USA on 12 January, 2010 and starts in South Africa on M-Net just five days later, on Sunday 17 January.

In case you missed the news, the show has moved to M-Net from M-Net Series, partly to help re-establish M-Net as the premiere DStv entertainment channel, as it used to be when it ran as a solo paycaster.

The show will air every Sunday from 5pm-7pm, but the premiere will begin two hours earlier, at 3pm. Four straight hours of auditions, baby!

Paula Abdul has been replaced by Ellen DeGeneres as the fourth judge, and this year will also feature a return for Idol Gives Back, which will air later in the competition.

Rotating guest judges this season include Victoria Beckham, Mary J. Blige, Joe Jonas, Neil Patrick Harris, Shania Twain and Kristin Chenoweth.

This season the 'American Idol' judges visited Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Los Angeles and Orlando in their quest to find performers worthy of the "Golden Ticket" to Hollywood.

Although the fine details have yet to be ironed out, M-Net will be following the tradition established by Series and will time their coverage to coincide with a live broadcast of the finale, which has not yet received an official date.

The live finale will thus air at the same time as it does in the USA, although you're going to have to stay up mighty late to watch it. It will be repeated on M-Net if you can't go the distance.

Tune in for the four-hour premiere on M-Net on Sunday 17 January 2010, at 3pm.

http://entertainment.iafrica.com/television/reality/2114860.htm

-- Edited by Tommy on Tuesday 15th of December 2009 11:01:09 AM

Tommy · Guru

American Idol Changes Spring Timeslot, Makes Bad Decision for Ratings

Fox Has Made a Very Questionable Move by Pushing American Idol to 9 P.M. On January 27th

By Ryan Christopher DeVault

The American Idol season premiere is right around corner and Fox has announced that the American Idol time slot will change this Spring. The American Idol season premiere is on January 12th starting at 8:00 P.M., but then starting on January 27th American Idol will be pushed back to a 9:00 P.M. start time in order to give up the 8:00 P.M. time slot to another show. In the past Fox has debuted new shows after American Idol in order to bring in new viewers, finding that some shows turned into successes, but many more shows turned into busts that never made it to a second season on the network.

Starting on January 27th, Fox will air its new show Human Target at 8:00 P.M., displacing American Idol until 9:00 P.M. for viewers. The hope must be that Human Target will turn into a hit in that time slot, or at least that it will develop its own audience in competition with the other 8:00 P.M. shows on the other networks. American Idol will thus be in control of that 9:00 P.M. time slot on Wednesday's, with the apparent intent from Fox to be to take down the competition at that hour. It doesn't seem like such the best decision in the grand scheme of things though, because it pushes the show further into the night for viewers that might go to bed early.

There could be one very big reason why Fox is deciding to make this move, and that could be to take a swing at the 10:00 P.M. shows on other networks. Fans who have watched American Idol over the years will surely know that the show has a tendency to run over time, and that cuts into the following show. By making sure their primetime programming is ending with American Idol, they will probably care far less about running long into the local news programs that many of the Fox affiliates run in the 10:00 P.M. time slot. It could make the news channels unhappy, but could keep people from switching to 10:00 P.M. shows during their start times.

It's always a bad thing to do when a network considers messing with a formula that has worked very well in the past. Moving around the biggest show on television makes it seem like Fox has no fears about ratings slippage, and that they feel that the show can dominate no matter what time it is on television. It is probably a well calculated move, but it also seems like one that could cost them some ratings points and potentially a few dollar signs on the end of all those checks from advertisers. In the spring viewers will be the ones that dictate those numbers, so we will see if this keeps American Idol swimming in the strong numbers of if the change takes a cut out of their share.

Source:

American Idol Time Change

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2511545/american_idol_changes_spring_timeslot.html?cat=2

EveryBodyLovesKevy · Guru

If anyone is interested Shania's episode airs Jan 19th