FOLKS....This could be a time bomb in the works...It is a huge story in Canada TODAY....THE ORDER OF CANADA....This week the Canadian Government named Canadian abortionist Henry Morgentaler to the ORDER OF CANADA....Same status as Shania and many others.....Henry Morgentaler fought the government/police etc for performing what was at the time , illegal abortions in Canada.(he was performing them).Over and over he was arrested BUT time after time was found NOT GUILTY....Finally the government blinked and the law was changed, as the result of his success in the courts..Because of his fight, abortions are now LEGAL in Canada...Personally I agree that the woman should have the choice BUT others are totally against it...That is normal....BUT....Should the government ever have named somebody so contraversial to the Order of Canada...MY POSTION....NO
NOW...The big story is members who have been already named to the Order OF CANADA are so against this new appointment that they are demanding to be REMOVED....Could Shania be the next??.....If Shania is dead against abortion will she also demand the removal??...Personally if she did I would have NO PROBLEM....As I said...I have no problem with our law allowing abortion BUT alot of people do have a problem. It is for that reason that once again I will say that this country's decisions from a Government level is getting wacked...Who in their right mind would ever make such a contraversial appointment. My intent is not to start up an abortion war on this site but as I said if Shania pulls out...I will understand...Bob
Bob,No Worries there. first of all it would be insulting to do such thing,and shania is not like that,and she is not against abortion but she is not a supporter either. she have said that this is a difficult issue and she is not sure waht she thinks about it. so i think she will keep the Order.
you know personally i understand that sometimes abortion is the only alternative for medical reasons,my cousin had a problem with one of her pregnancies and she had to do it,it was a doctors suggestion. but i'm against those women that sleep around without protecting themselves,and then they end up carrying an unwanted baby,instead of being against abortions we should talk to kids about how to protect themselves,because is not only pregnancy, there are also many diseases out there.
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im sure She has a opinion on abortion but just doesn't want to say, celebrity's will always catch a whole bunch of flack when they take a political stance ,look at the Dixie Chicks, they where against the war in Iraq they took a whole bunch of heat on that.I don't think Shania will want her order of Canada be withdrawn it would just stir up problems she doesn't need
I've been told that Shania personally feels against it as she is known saying it is a difficult subject to call. I can't see someone like Shania not supporting life especially knowing her roots, how she is with people especially children. Plus the song "I Ain't Goin' Down" many have felt was sort of a prolife anthem in a way.
I can't believe this Henry guy is getting the OC title.
Right Joe, 'i ain't going down' it's a great example of shania's beliefs,i just wish this song was a single,it would do good in country charts,but anyway that's not our point.
here in Greece abortion is supposed to be illegal but everybody knows that we have 200,000 per year,which it's disgusting because many of those are performed in grown up women and married women,what's wrong with these people?? they should use protection.
i agree with Joe,this Henry guy didn't do anything to make Canada look better,but i guess feminists must think he is a great supporter of womens freedom.
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IAGD would be a perfect song for country radio, I was disappointed it was not released, but I was glad she sang it and told that story she did during the Up Personal special with Alison Krauss.
I think abortion goes way beyond teach "protection." People have a responsibility and if you respect God or people and human life in general you would know the difference between right and wrong.
Shania always said she would welcome another child if it were expected or not, and I believe she finds the practice of abortion sickening.
Henry did not make the world better, just more convenient for some. What he represents is not worthy, nothing in the league of why Shania became an OC and many others.
Hey guys...Here is the scoop...Canada is TOTALLY liberal...Is gay marriage legal..YES...Is totally topless legal YES...Is abortion legal..YES....Better get used to it..It is ALL coming your way...Canada generally leads the way along with a few other countries in this stuff...Trust me folks...All this stuff has been debated inside out in this country over and over for years so better have your argument pretty well in place before you state a STRONG opinion up here. I really ride the fence.I see both sides of it all....But hard to argue..Isn't a bare chest a bare chest......As I said it is all coming your way...Like it or not...Bob
personally i don't have problem with abortions if some women want to do it,but i wouldn't because i'm emotional and if i ended up regreting it there is a chance to drove myself crazy because of the guilts. 2 gay couples got married here and the court declare those marriages illegal. as for topless,he he i remember being a small kid in the late 80's and i was in shock watching those ladies take off their top of their bathing suits. we have some places when you can ve totally naked on the beach,yikes
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Hey folks...I said the other day that I would have no problem if Shania pulled the plug on this thing...So many artists are afraid to take a stand on stuff...Why?...It is obvious... If shania was to take a stand on this issue it would smack the government right in the kisser real hard.. As I said I am a supporter of womans choice but totally respect the opposite view..It is for those other people that I hate this appointment...If shania hates it to...MAKE A STATEMENT .I really don't think she will but?????...Bob
Yeah Bob, Canada is totally a secular progressive nation like many other nations going that route. Of course in America we have a different way of thinking unless you live in California, New York, or Massachusetts.
People have been fighting to reverse the Supreme Court decision on abortion here for years. I hate this issue and always just let others fight it out, I personally think maybe in cases of rape and welfare of the mother, but no other reason. I personally find it as "killing babes" and life begins at conception. My Catholicism coming out. We have a woman martyrs in the church who died rather than the unborn child when she could have been saved. Man, that takes commitment, I don't even want to think about being in these positions.
Oh and just because a woman is carrying the baby as is set up in nature does not mean the father doesn't have rights.
I know Shania avoids giving her opinion out in the open about political and religious topics, but in this case if she stepped up, I would understand. Can she be happy abut this? Most likely not.
yeah!Joe yoiu are right. we forgot about the father in each abortion case,i know they are women that have abortion without having a disccusion first with their husbands,why on earth would a woman have an abortion if she is married,i dunno that's tough.
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Hey Joe...SO you are a bit soft on the issue...Personally I think that is where one should be...Having said that I can only assume you are anti capitol punishment...If a life is a life???? ......Well you can't have it both ways can you...Bob
I don't know, I use to be about capital punishment but in some cases innocent people die, and what government has the obligation to sentence someone to death? It does seem wrong. Then again these guys in prison who are nasty terrible criminals who do the most awful crimes waste tax payers money living out a life sentence, but that should be a something for them to think about life long rather than the easy way out, death. America was set up to get out of that medieval way of thinking. At least we try to do it has humaninly as possible if that is worth anything...
Abortion same way, I hate the idea, but it's not my call between personal feelings, religion, and government. I only wish we could tell more ladies not to do it and they wouldn't. Making laws to stop certain things ain't right either, I just wish they personally knew better.
Oh and the difference with capital punishment and abortion, the unborn child doesn't have a say or have an opportunity to do wrong or right, criminals are a different situation and bring on their fate in their own hands.
you are right Joe about everything, me as a Greek i wish we had better laws here,for example a guy that killed 3 innocent women in the late 70's is out now after some years in jail,isn't that unfair for the victims and their families?? there is no REAL life sentence in my country,it seems that after 15-20 years those guys are out and enjoy their lives again.
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Folks..Let me tell you these hot debates on capitol punishment and abortion has to be handled with kid gloves...Living up here this has been a hot topic for years..Much more than in alot of other countries..There is not an argument either way that pretty much every Canadian does not understand and heard a million times...Yes up here we don't KILL people for there crimes..In my opinion..THANK GOD....To kill people because the government can't afford to lock them up for life is NOT the accused fault is it...Second...Ask most people..Would you rather die or sit in a cell for every living day for the rest of your life..Well you decide. I say a TRUE life sentence is much worse punishment. Some day we will all be laughed at...Just as we laugh at the old laws that used to cut off hands for stealing..We laugh at it now but they thought it was proper...No different here...We will be lauged at as well for killing.....Just yesterday another Canadian was awarded money, 6.5 million for an unlawful sentence for murder because DNA proved him innoccent..Without the death sentence we would be Dead in alot of countries... It is all coming your way folks...DNA will change it all...Day after day people are being found not guilty years after the crime due to DNA evidence...Once the world starts to understand by overturned convictions, that the courts are wacked, the pressure will come to ban the death penalty...Just like here NOW...Later I will tell you the story of Cindy's abortion at 13 years old.....Bob
Yes Bob i agree,we shouldn't kill people but in my country there is no such thing as 'life sentence'somehow they managed to appeal after a decade and they are out,that's not fair,because some of them were really young when they commited the crime and they are out of jail in the mid-40's but their victims are in the ground.
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Actually this is as good a time as any.....First of all in no way do I want anybody thinking I am trying to change your opinion on abortion just because of my wifes history..That is not my intent...Maybe I live in a cave in this country but really don't think so...There are all kinds of polls done up here..It is insane actually..The government always want to get a feel about how we feel...NOW..I really don't think you folks understand that the huge majority of woman(50 and under STRONLY support free choice for woman in certain situations. Personally I support these woman...I would even without Cindy's situation... Anyhow...Had not met her yet..She is 13....THIRTEEN....They are babies themselves at this age. Alot of girls at this age, run into issues and make mistakes..Now I totally understand she had other options and I totally understand the hard line approach of "you pay for your mistakes Cindy"...But I really feel that at this age it is quite a burden to put on someone for the rest of their life for one night (both drunk on wine) with a 12 year old boy. Anyhow...No big story..Only one of many every day of the year all over the world..For those that have strong views against what she did I totally understand and respect your views on it...Bob
i totally understand Bob, 13??? this is very difficult age,she must have felt like hell,and God knows she must have wished she never had that wine eh?? and it wasn't her mistake only ,what about that other boy?? anyway,i'm not talking about young girls but for grown up women that know and can protect themselves but they just don't care. i know women that had 20!!! abortions and all those inside their marriage,can you believe this?? and as for that 'pay for your mistakes' that's huge for a 13 year old girl,there had been cases when young girls have commited suicide because they got pregnant and they were afraid of their parents.
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-- Edited by Country gal at 10:57, 2008-07-08
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Unborn children should not be punished by taking away the opportunity of life because of irresponsibility but of course at that age it is a tough call. That's why I stay clear of being a debater on this subject. I just know my own heart and my own personal belief has me thinking the way I do. That's me, but not someone else.
It's all of life's challenges and the many tests.
I guess the point of prison as well was an opportunity to rehabilitate criminals and some feel life sentences are too long. Well some of these crimes are disturbing and awful.
Chorus: I'm gonna hold on - 'cause what i believe in is so strong no matter how long, no one can tell me i'm wrong - i ain't goin' down
I had a baby at fifteen - daddy never did forgive me i never heard from the guy again i had to drop outta high school - everybody treated me so cruel but i didn't give in and give her away
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Her smile got me through the day - and every night i'd pray i can give her enough at night i'd lie awake and cry - hopin' we get by 'cause you can't live on love
I work night and day to keep us goin' through the sweat and tears without her knowin' it was worth it just to watch her grow oh, oh, at least i was able to hold her whenever she needed my shoulder i'm so glad i never let her go
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Her smile got me through the years - dried away the tears and filled me with hope at night i'd lay awake and cry - prayed we would get by and for the courage to cope oh, oh, oh
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Her smile got me through the day - and every night i'd pray i could give her enough
Thank Joe, one of my all time shania favorites,not only for the great lyrics but the production is great too,it should have been released as a single in country radio.
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Right Joe,
